[Peace-discuss] Bellicose rhetoric???

[C. G. Estabrook]

Of course truth is better than illusion -- and the truth of that statement 
hardly depends on my having a "clearer and more accurate knowledge and 
understanding than those who do not agree with [me]."

Was Obama an anti-war candidate, or wasn't he? It's not difficult to say 
accurately that Paul, Nader, McKinney and probably Barr were anti-war 
candidates.  Look at what they said...

If you really want to know whether Mort has attributed opinions to me that I've 
denied -- and I'm not quite sure why you would -- look at the archives.

What do you want to "balance"?  Time spent exposing McCain's position and 
Obama's? But one was easier to do, and the audience for this list already 
recognized that one was untenable.  --CGE


LAURIE SOLOMON wrote:
>> It seems to me that many people good people, who opposed the war, wanted to
>> convince themselves that Obama was an anti-war candidate, when he clearly 
>> wasn't.  The wish is father to the thought, but truth is better than 
>> illusion.
> 
> Even granting that it was the people who convinced themselves of this and not
> Obama who convinced them of this, how can you assume a self-righteous 
> position of saying that for them truth is better than illusion?  I can 
> understand how you might say that it is better for you personally but to 
> suggest that this is the case for others is sheer projection based on your 
> assuming that you have clearer and more accurate knowledge and understanding 
> than those who do not agree with you, which comes down to egotism clear and 
> simple.
> 
> I cannot respond to your claim that Mort has attributed opinions that you 
> have denied; but I am not so sure that your response here furnishes a 
> adequate reply to Mort's finding the apparent (to him) "lack of balance" 
> objectionable.  While my response ( and I assume Neil's response) was 
> primarily to Jenifer's comments on the disproportionateness of critical 
> comments focused on Obama more than McCain more than to Mort's objections.  I
>  think that there may be an essential difference in the arguments of the two 
> concerning imbalance.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: C. G. Estabrook [mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu] 
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 8:35 PM To: Morton K. Brussel Cc: 
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; LAURIE SOLOMON Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss]
>  Bellicose rhetoric???
> 
> You seem to find it necessary to attribute to me opinions that I've denied. 
> Why is that so important to you?
> 
> It seems to me that many people good people, who opposed the war, wanted to 
> convince themselves that Obama was an anti-war candidate, when he clearly 
> wasn't.  The wish is father to the thought, but truth is better than 
> illusion.