[Peace-discuss] Urbana's WQ seeking ethnic cleansing and more power over property owners.

C. G. Estabrook galliher at uiuc.edu
Wed Nov 12 18:59:11 CST 2008


Do you really *favor* the Peoples' Republic of Urbana proceeding against people 
who might engage in "mob action"?  And who do think they will be?


Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> It goes w/o saying that bad laws should be repealed and false charges 
> should be fought! But surely y're not suggesting e g opposing speed 
> limits because a racist cop threw MLK  in jail for "speeding?"
>  --Jenifer
> 
> --- On *Wed, 11/12/08, C. G. Estabrook /<galliher at uiuc.edu>/* wrote:
> 
>     From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu>
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Urbana's WQ seeking ethnic cleansing
>     and more power over property owners.
>     To: jencart13 at yahoo.com
>     Cc: "'E. Wayne Johnson'" <ewj at pigs.ag>, "'Peace-discuss'"
>     <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>, ronpaul-305 at meetup.com, "LAURIE
>     SOLOMON" <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
>     Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 5:18 PM
> 
>     Civil rights demonstrators as well as anti-war demonstrators have frequently
>     been arrested on charges of "mob action."
> 
>     An anti-war anti-racist effort should surely oppose this bit of PC repression.
> 
>     --CGE
> 
>     Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>     > Whoa, Guys, news flash: ALL economic classes and ALL ethnic groups
>     appreciate
>     > living in quiet safe neighborhoods that are free from "nuisance
>     activities,
>     > among them mob action, assault, battery, unlawful use of weapons,
>     > prostitution, sexual assault, public indecency, illegal gambling, arson
>     and
>     > drug-related crimes."  I can't believe you think that ANYONE --
>     regardless of
>     > race or economic status -- wants to- or should be expected to put up w/
>     these
>     > things!! How can you possibly conclude that this is something wanted
>     by/meant
>     > for "rich white folks," implying that "poor black
>     folks" -- or ANY folks --
>     > don't care one way or another about these things!?? Wow, this seems
>     like a
>     > snobbish -- and racist -- reaction to me!! --Jenifer
>     > 
>     > 
>     > --- On *Wed, 11/12/08, LAURIE SOLOMON /<LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>/*
>     wrote:
>     > 
>     > From: LAURIE SOLOMON <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET> Subject: RE:
>     [Peace-discuss]
>     > Urbana's WQ seeking ethnic cleansing and more power over property
>     owners. To:
>     > "'E. Wayne Johnson'" <ewj at pigs.ag>,
>     "'Peace-discuss'" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>,
>     ronpaul-305 at meetup..com Date: Wednesday,
>     > November 12, 2008, 11:31 AM
>     > 
>     > Ø  Property "owners" should take note that all of their
>     property is lent to
>     > them by the kind permission of the Queen
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > And the Queen is being lent to you by permission of the good voters of
>     > Urbana.  J
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > *From:* peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
>     [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] *On Behalf Of *E. Wayne
>     > Johnson *Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2008 9:20 AM *To:* Peace-discuss;
>     > ronpaul-305 at meetup.com *Subject:* [Peace-discuss] Urbana's WQ seeking
>     ethnic
>     > cleansing and more power over property owners.
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > Consider the article below...
>     > 
>     > I suggest that Prussing just cut directly to the chase and say that she
>     wants
>     > to create an queendom in Urbana that is exclusively for wealthy white
>     folks
>     > except that a few others needed for domestic servants are welcome provided
>     that they meet her standards.  All the riff-raff should be summarily kicked
>     > out onto the streets.  Property "owners" should take note that
>     all of their
>     > property is lent to them by the kind permission of the Queen, and serious
>     consequences shall befall all who respect her not.
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > 
>     > Urbana considering ordinance for repeat nuisance offenders
>     > 
>     > 
>     > By Mike Monson
>     > 
>     > 
>     > Wednesday November 12, 2008
>     > 
>     > URBANA – The city administration wants broad power to crack down on
>     problem
>     > properties where criminal activities occur twice or more within a
>     six-month
>     > period.
>     > 
>     > City aldermen on Monday discussed a proposed "criminal nuisance
>     property"
>     > ordinance, but, at the suggestion of City Attorney Ronald O'Neal,
>     postponed a
>     > final vote until next month.
>     > 
>     > "I recommend you give this one a really close look," he said.
>     "There will be
>     > some concern from property owners regarding its use."
>     > 
>     > Mayor Laurel Prussing said she asked O'Neal to draft the ordinance.
>     > 
>     > "We try to make sure we can combat problems in every way possible to
>     reduce
>     > crime and make neighborhoods safer," she said.
>     > 
>     > The proposed ordinance defines 15 criminal activities as nuisance
>     activities,
>     > among them mob action, assault, battery, unlawful use of weapons,
>     > prostitution, sexual assault, public indecency, illegal gambling, arson
>     and
>     > drug-related crimes.
>     > 
>     > If "a preponderance of the evidence" indicates that there have
>     been two or
>     > more instances of nuisance activity within six months, the city could
>     under
>     > the ordinance seek a fine of between $300 and $750 per day, per incident
>     > against the property owner, occupant or person in charge.
>     > 
>     > In hearing such a case, a judge could consider how serious the problem has
>     > been, the cost to the city in investigating and attempting to resolve it
>     and
>     > how cooperative the property owner or other person has been, according to
>     > wording in the proposed ordinance.
>     > 
>     > O'Neal described the ordinance as "a very rough draft." He
>     said it would give
>     > police another option when certain properties are generating an inordinate
>     > number of police calls.
>     > 
>     > "This ordinance attempts to put some of the onus on property
>     owners," he
>     > said.
>     > 
>     > The city attorney said he helped draft a similar ordinance for the city of
>     > Aurora, where he formerly worked. O'Neal told aldermen that Aurora
>     used its
>     > ordinance selectively against three or four chronic violators.
>     > 
>     > "We made property owners aware of this ordinance and let them know
>     there were
>     > some fairly stiff fines available," he said.
>     > 
>     > The proposed ordinance would also give Urbana the authority to suspend the
>     > city rental license for a property for a period of 30 to 180 days..
>     > 
>     > Asked by Alderman Charlie Smyth what properties in Urbana might be subject
>     to
>     > such a penalty, O'Neal declined to name names, but said "they
>     involve
>     > apartment complexes and one or two bars as well."
>     > 
>     > Alderwoman Heather Stevenson asked about a scenario where a landlord was
>     > compelled to rent to a felon because of the city's human rights
>     ordinance,
>     > which prohibits discrimination against someone based on their criminal
>     > record, and a situation where the felon then begins committing crimes.
>     > 
>     > "You are not required to keep someone who is perpetrating ongoing
>     criminal
>     > activity," O'Neal responded. "You have grounds to evict
>     them."
>     > 
>     > Champaign passed an aggravated-public-nuisances ordinance about a decade
>     ago
>     > that targets property owners who allow their tenants to commit criminal
>     acts,
>     > said Champaign City Attorney Fred Stavins.
> 
> 
> 
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