[Fwd: Re: [ronpaul-305] Re: [Peace-discuss] Urbana's WQ seeking ethnic cleansing and more power over property owners.]

[Stuart Levy]

On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 02:24:36PM -0800, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Right, fining those engaging in undesirable behavior in an effort to
> eliminate undesirable behavior. The rights of those who are living peaceably
> and considerately trumping the rights of those who aren't. I can't believe
> you have a problem w/ this!
>  --Jenifer

I think the worry is that it pushes the property owners to become enforcers.
That wouldn't necessarily be bad if they were held to the same standards
as public officials.   If it means that landlords don't simply shrug the problem off
if their tenants turn out to be dealing drugs, that's a good thing.

But if the standards are vague ("mob action"?!), and the landlords stand
to get in hot water if they were to let something go but the City
later decides they shouldn't have, that pushes property owners to be
much more restrictive than the City would be, just to reduce their risk.
Demonstration?  Parties that some might consider loud?  "Streetlamp meetings" going on?
Not on *my* property.  And it's mine, so what I say goes.

If the City starts enforcing a nuisance law in questionable cases, at least
people can go complain to the Council.  But if property owners do the enforcement
themselves, clamping down on things that should be permissible,
where do people go for redress?

And of course, the anti-racism angle is that, where middle-class-looking white people
often get the benefit of the doubt, black people more often don't.

> 
> --- On Thu, 11/13/08, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
> 
> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Subject: [Fwd: Re: [ronpaul-305] Re: [Peace-discuss] Urbana's WQ seeking ethnic cleansing and more power over property owners.]
> To: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 12:23 PM
> 
> 
> Tom, your response cross-posted to ronpaul-305.  I thought these were interesting.
> 
> I too had imagined mob action at Prussing's house(s).
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:     Re: [ronpaul-305] Re: [Peace-discuss] Urbana's WQ seeking ethnic cleansing and more power over property owners.
> Date:     Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:46:45 -0500
> From:     Nick <nick_wolff at yahoo.com>
> Reply-To:     ronpaul-305 at meetup.com
> To:     ronpaul-305 at meetup.com
> 
> 
> Better yet, (Tom), I suppose protesters might show up at Laurel Prussing's house.  Enforcement of such an ordinance might turn out to be selective.
> 
> cheers,
> Nick
> 
> ..
> 
> Lobby Congress in your bathrobe.  http://www.downsizedc.org
> 
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject:     Re: [ronpaul-305] Re: [Peace-discuss] Urbana's WQ seeking ethnic cleansing and more power over property owners.
> Date:     Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:39:17 -0500
> From:     Charles N <charles.nadolski at gmail.com>
> Reply-To:     ronpaul-305 at meetup.com
> To:     ronpaul-305 at meetup.com
> 
> 
> Interpreted another way, it may not be some kind subconscious ethnic cleansing, but simply an ongoing turf war between students and residents of Urbana.  The city of Urbana puts all kinds of restrictions aimed at keeping students in Urbana on a short leash.  These include ridiculous parking ordinances, "historic" areas to keep students from divvying up Victorian houses, etc.  Of course, all these ordinances are associated with fines.  Students are viewed simply as people to sponge money off of through legal theft, and are expected not to fight because they are temporary residents.  For the liberal elite professors, this serves both to pay for their liberal guilt and social engineering, as well as keep the young whippersnappers from ruining their yoga meditation and feng shui.
> 
> I'll fully admit that these ordinances could be targeting "undesirables" outside the student population, I'm just providing a different perspective.
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