[Peace-discuss] Bush-Obama terrorism in AfPak

[Brussel Morton K.]

You seem to be blinded, by— what is it, hatred?, ideology? You seem  
unable to make distinctions. Yes, there are policies where both Bush  
and Obama seem to believe, or advocate, the same things, but Bush has  
implemented those policies. Obama has, of yet,  not done so. But more  
importantly, there are many issues where the two diverge in what they  
advocate, or represent, most especially on domestic policies. I don't  
think I have to say more—it wouldn't do any good.  --mkb

On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Neil Parthun wrote:

> Show where there is a difference between Bush and Obama on this  
> policy of Pakistan militarism.  If you can't show a difference in  
> the policy, then quit complaining about the equation.
>
> Bush has increased military presence in AfPak.  Obama has  
> explicitly stated multiple times that he wishes to do the exact  
> same thing.
>
> Show a difference in this policy rather than whining about the  
> characterization and being an apologist for an Obama mass murder.
>
> Its not the act of seeing with our own eyes alone; its correctly  
> comprehending what we see,
>
>      Neil
>
>  We absolutely have to refuse to attribute any kind of permanency  
> to that which is simply because it is.
> [angela v. davis, 1944-]
>
> Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could.  
> Some blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as  
> you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and  
> with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.
> [ralph waldo emerson, 1803-1882]
>
> On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>
> What is also vile is the subject title of this piece, as it equates  
> Bush with Obama.  The equation of Bush with Obama is characteristic  
> of Estabrook commentaries.
> --mkb
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2008, at 6:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>> 	Missile strike reported in Pakistan
>>
>> At least five people have been killed in a missile attack by  
>> suspected US drones in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal region  
>> on the Afghan border, according to Pakistani intelligence sources.
>>
>> The AFP news agency quoted Pakistani security officials as saying  
>> that the missiles hit a compound, belonging to a Taliban member,  
>> late on Saturday.
>>
>> The US is suspected in at least 11 missile strikes on the Pakistan  
>> side of the Afghan border since mid-August, killing more than 100  
>> people, most of them alleged fighters, according to an Associated  
>> Press (AP) count based on figures provided by Pakistan  
>> intelligence officials.
>>
>> "Two missiles struck a compound just outside Miranshah," a  
>> security official told AFP on condition of anonymity.
>>
>> The targeted compound was the residence of Taliban member Omar  
>> Daraz, the official said.
>>
>> There was no immediate confirmation of the strike from the  
>> Pakistani military or from US-led forces in Afghanistan.
>>
>> A similar suspected US missile strike on a house in the same  
>> district on Thursday killed nine people including six Arab  
>> fighters, according to security officials.
>>
>> Orakzai burials
>>
>> Elsewhere in Pakistan, mourners on Saturday buried victims of a  
>> suicide bombing near the border that targeted anti-Taliban  
>> tribesmen moving to evict fighters from their region.
>>
>> Asghar Khan, a government official, told AP that authorities had  
>> tallied at least 34 bodies, but that as many as 25 other bodies  
>> may have been taken away by relatives in Orakzai, one of  
>> Pakistan's seven semi-autonomous tribal regions.
>>
>> Some media reports put the death tally from the Friday attack much  
>> higher.
>>
>> One unconfirmed TV report late on Saturday said 113 people died in  
>> the bombing.
>>
>> 'Hideouts' destroyed
>>
>> A security official said that Friday's attack occurred a day after  
>> tribesmen had targeted two hideouts belonging to pro-Taliban  
>> groups operating in the area.
>>
>> It also came a day after four tribal elders in Bajaur, a tribal  
>> region north of Orakzai, were abducted and beheaded after  
>> attending another pro-government meeting, officials said.
>>
>> "People will tell you that Pakistan is already in a state of war.  
>> Every day there are suicide bombings," Al Jazeera's Kamal Hyder,  
>> reporting from the North West Frontier province, said.
>>
>> "The violence is escalating at a time that the national assembly  
>> is not able to come to grips with the situation."
>>
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