[Peace-discuss] Bush-Obama terrorism in AfPak

[C. G. Estabrook]

Ah, that's it -- Neil is an Obama-hater.  So we don't have to deal with his 
arguments, any more than we have to deal with what Obama (who's never actually 
invaded a Middle Eastern country) actually said.


Brussel Morton K. wrote:
> You seem to be blinded, by— what is it, hatred?, ideology? You seem unable to
> make distinctions. Yes, there are policies where both Bush and Obama seem to
> believe, or advocate, the same things, but Bush has implemented those
> policies. Obama has, of yet,  not done so. But more importantly, there are
> many issues where the two diverge in what they advocate, or represent, most
> especially on domestic policies. I don't think I have to say more—it wouldn't
> do any good.  --mkb
> 
> On Oct 13, 2008, at 6:08 AM, Neil Parthun wrote:
> 
>> Show where there is a difference between Bush and Obama on this policy of
>> Pakistan militarism.  If you can't show a difference in the policy, then
>> quit complaining about the equation.
>> 
>> Bush has increased military presence in AfPak.  Obama has explicitly stated
>> multiple times that he wishes to do the exact same thing.
>> 
>> Show a difference in this policy rather than whining about the 
>> characterization and being an apologist for an Obama mass murder.
>> 
>> Its not the act of seeing with our own eyes alone; its correctly 
>> comprehending what we see,
>> 
>> Neil
>> 
>> We absolutely have to refuse to attribute any kind of permanency to that
>> which is simply because it is. [angela v. davis, 1944-]
>> 
>> Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some
>> blunders and absurdities have crept in; forget them as soon as you can.
>> Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a
>> spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense. [ralph waldo emerson,
>> 1803-1882]
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2008, at 9:33 PM, Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>> 
>> What is also vile is the subject title of this piece, as it equates Bush
>> with Obama.  The equation of Bush with Obama is characteristic of Estabrook
>> commentaries. --mkb
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 12, 2008, at 6:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> 
>>> Missile strike reported in Pakistan
>>> 
>>> At least five people have been killed in a missile attack by suspected US
>>> drones in Pakistan's North Waziristan tribal region on the Afghan border,
>>> according to Pakistani intelligence sources.
>>> 
>>> The AFP news agency quoted Pakistani security officials as saying that
>>> the missiles hit a compound, belonging to a Taliban member, late on
>>> Saturday.
>>> 
>>> The US is suspected in at least 11 missile strikes on the Pakistan side
>>> of the Afghan border since mid-August, killing more than 100 people, most
>>> of them alleged fighters, according to an Associated Press (AP) count
>>> based on figures provided by Pakistan intelligence officials.
>>> 
>>> "Two missiles struck a compound just outside Miranshah," a security 
>>> official told AFP on condition of anonymity.
>>> 
>>> The targeted compound was the residence of Taliban member Omar Daraz, the
>>> official said.
>>> 
>>> There was no immediate confirmation of the strike from the Pakistani 
>>> military or from US-led forces in Afghanistan.
>>> 
>>> A similar suspected US missile strike on a house in the same district on
>>> Thursday killed nine people including six Arab fighters, according to
>>> security officials.
>>> 
>>> Orakzai burials
>>> 
>>> Elsewhere in Pakistan, mourners on Saturday buried victims of a suicide
>>> bombing near the border that targeted anti-Taliban tribesmen moving to
>>> evict fighters from their region.
>>> 
>>> Asghar Khan, a government official, told AP that authorities had tallied
>>> at least 34 bodies, but that as many as 25 other bodies may have been
>>> taken away by relatives in Orakzai, one of Pakistan's seven 
>>> semi-autonomous tribal regions.
>>> 
>>> Some media reports put the death tally from the Friday attack much 
>>> higher.
>>> 
>>> One unconfirmed TV report late on Saturday said 113 people died in the
>>> bombing.
>>> 
>>> 'Hideouts' destroyed
>>> 
>>> A security official said that Friday's attack occurred a day after 
>>> tribesmen had targeted two hideouts belonging to pro-Taliban groups 
>>> operating in the area.
>>> 
>>> It also came a day after four tribal elders in Bajaur, a tribal region
>>> north of Orakzai, were abducted and beheaded after attending another
>>> pro-government meeting, officials said.
>>> 
>>> "People will tell you that Pakistan is already in a state of war. Every
>>> day there are suicide bombings," Al Jazeera's Kamal Hyder, reporting from
>>> the North West Frontier province, said.
>>> 
>>> "The violence is escalating at a time that the national assembly is not
>>> able to come to grips with the situation."
>>> 
>>> ###