[Peace-discuss] The money was there all along

[Jenifer Cartwright]

Right. So (excluding agricultural products, which I mentioned ironically) what DOES the US have to sell abroad these days to actually bring money into the country?? It's obvious we import and consume like mad... AND that there's no shortage of things needed in this country that would provide jobs (e g rebuilding ifrastructure) and reduce unemployment. But as to earning money nationally by selling goods and services -- what?? how??
 --Jenifer

--- On Fri, 10/17/08, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The money was there all along
To: jencart13 at yahoo.com
Cc: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>, peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 11:13 AM


Wheat is fermentable just like corn but is not cost-effective even with the subsidy at the present market price.
Actually grain prices have risen so high that even with the heavy subsidies
some ethanol plants are starting to close their doors
(which is a good thing) while others are continuing to operate.

Soy oil can be burned directly in diesel engines as SVO (straight vegetable oil) 
but SVO needs heating in cold weather.  Soy oil is already
hydrolysed and esterified to produce so-called "biodiesel".

....but Real productivity is what we need.  

Burning food for fuel is really not productivity, it's actually a
non-productive process that turns a high neg-entropic product into something for a lower value use
and it only works because of the government subsidy and mandate program.  In a free market economy
we would  only have ethanol from non-food sources or foodstuffs not suitable for consumption (moldy grains for instance).

But it's not a problem of free markets vs managed economy.  The Chinese were smart enough to recognize the 
ethanol craze for the insanity that it was and is,  while the "money crooked fingers" of our "democratically elected government" saw
great opportunity and still pushes biofuel even as it becomes obvious that it simply doesnt make any sense.

Jenifer Cartwright wrote: 





I have been wondering lately if the US produces anything to sell abroad anymore, now that the service industry has replaced manufacturing re providing jobs. Agricultural products, I guess... at least until somebody figures out how to turn wheat and soybeans into gasoline.
 --Jenifer

--- On Fri, 10/17/08, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The money was there all along
To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Date: Friday, October 17, 2008, 5:01 AM


Yes. 

But that's hard work sometimes.  ;-) 

John W. wrote: 

Well, either way - borrowing the money or "printing" it - it's fiscally irresponsible and unsustainable.  That was my point.  A viable economy has to be based on ACTUAL productivity - making REAL things that the world needs - and not just on shuffling papers around to create the illusion of prosperity.

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