[Peace-discuss] Mike Gravel on Palin

[Randall Cotton]

Whether or not Carl wishes for a McCain presidency, I doubt he could have
much effect on the outcome in Illinois 8-)

Monday, August 18, 2008:

"Barack Obama remains comfortably ahead of his Republican presidential
rival John McCain -- 53% to 38% -- in his home state of Illinois,
according to the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of voters in
the state."

"Rasmussen Markets data shows that Obama is currently given a 98.0 %
chance of winning Illinois’ 21 Electoral College votes this fall."

Full article at:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/illinois/election_2008_illinois_presidential_election

R

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brussel Morton K." <mkbrussel at comcast.net>
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
Cc: <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Mike Gravel on Palin


I care not what Larry Bartels, an élitest academic [http://
www.princeton.edu/~bartels/biography.html], says. You needn't quote
someone else for what are your own opinions, all the more ironic in
this case in that you too seem to be one of the élites excoriated.
Perhaps you—I'm not sure about Bartels— would be happy with a
theocratic state, a Catholic or fundamentalist one one no doubt, that
would forbid a woman's right to choose and get rid of public
education among other things. McCain might be happy with that as
well. I'm getting fed up with your polemical emails, which seem to do
nothing but attempt to convince readers to make it possible for a
McCain presidency.

--mkb


On Sep 3, 2008, at 2:09 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

> Biden is a perfectly conventional tool of militarist and corporate
> interests, responsible for murderous policies at home and abroad,
> from the Middle East war to the new bankruptcy law. Insofar as she
> departs from those policies, I (like Gravel) would prefer Palin.
>
> As Larry Bartels points out, "it is affluent, college-educated
> people ... who are most exercised by guns and religion. In
> contemporary American politics, social issues are the opiate of the
> elites." --CGE
>
>
> Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>> Gravel sounds deluded. His thesis is that ignorance is bliss.
>> Sarah Palin's
>> incorruptibility, with recent revelations, seems not so clear
>> after all. He
>> should have waited a bit before writing….
>> The implication of all the rants on this listserve against Obama-
>> Biden is
>> that  it's better to have a McCain-Palin executive than one of
>> Obama-Biden.
>> Or, really, it doesn't matter.
>> Incidentally, do you believe Palin to be less belligerent and
>> corporate than
>> Biden, as Gravel suggests? I guess we'll just have to wait and
>> see. Or maybe
>> you favor her antiabortion, creationist, NRA, energy, environmental,…
>> positions, which Gravel sloughs off as an afterthought. ?   --mkb
>> On Sep 3, 2008, at 11:21 AM, Matt Reichel wrote:
>>> Interesting piece by former Alaska Senator Mike Gravel on
>>> McCain's running
>>> mate, Mrs Sarah Palin.
>>> Echoing the words of Alex Cockburn previously posted on this
>>> list, far from
>>> being "cooky", he says: "Foreign policy experience? Thank god she
>>> has none
>>> beyond that of a normal citizen subject to the militarization of our
>>> culture over the past 50 years, particularly so in Alaska with
>>> its strong
>>> military presence. The three other would-be leaders have tons of
>>> experience
>>> among them. But whether liberal or conservative all three are
>>> committed to
>>> a policy of American imperialism with the self-appointed role of
>>> world
>>> policeman. This role of trying to influence the world with our
>>> military
>>> might sustains bloated defense budgets that profit the few and
>>> impoverish
>>> the social and economic needs of the many."
>>> "Sarah Palin's Clean Slate: Thank God, She Has No Foreign Policy
>>> Experience!"
>>> http://counterpunch.org/gravel09032008.html
>

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