[Peace-discuss] We agree with Ron Paul: McKinney, Baldwin, Nader

[E. Wayne Johnson]

You did however establish that such a press conference did occur.

Now you only have to find out whether or not Nader subscribes to the "We 
Agree"
statement released by the Campaign for Liberty (C4L) on his behalf.  If 
you find out that
Nader did not agree to the statement, I and others can promise that we 
will pursue the C4L
with much intensity and vigour if a misleading statement has been made.

I too was a bit surprised that Nader would agree to statements about the 
Federal
Reserve, but really I dont know so much about Nader. 

I grew up on a farm and was rather put off by Naderite consumerism and 
all of the safety interlocks that his
activism engendered.  We really didnt want to hear a buzzer everytime we 
open the
door on a farm truck and Nader was summarily cursed at each instance of 
such buzzing.  It was a pain
in the backside to saw out the catalytic convertors and disable all of 
the interlocks just
to get a functional truck, so we on the farm werent likely to be big 
Nader fans.

All that aside, the Constitution doesnt provide for a federal reserve 
bank.  The Fed prints money
to fund the warmongering in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, where 
next?, that most of us oppose.
The Fed devalues our currency and causes inflation in the process. 
Monetary Policy is deeper digging than most Americans want, but I can 
believe that even Nader
is educable on monetary policy.

What we need to be about is coalition building on the important issues 
that threaten us.
If we can make progress on important matters by working together on 
major points like opposition
to interventionism in american foreign policy, then we might make some 
progress.

Wayne

John W. wrote:
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com 
> <mailto:naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Did Ralph Nader make the statement that you claimed that he made?
>
>
> Not in the YouTube clip.  Not even remotely.
>
>  
>
>     On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag
>     <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> wrote:
>
>
>     > here is youtube of Nader at the press conference.
>     >
>     > Maybe the best explanation is that this lowQ video
>     > was done in a basement with Nader and McKinney look-alikes or by
>     > a clever hacker with a video editor.
>     >
>     > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t49qLcw2Kec
>     >
>     >
>     > Robert Naiman wrote:
>     >
>     > As far as I can tell, there was no such press conference and no such
>     > joint statement.
>     >
>     > Somebody posted a statement on a Ron Paul website claiming that
>     these
>     > were areas of agreement, not claiming that there was a joint
>     statement
>     > of agreement.
>     >
>     > That Ralph Nader would have signed off on this statement is highly
>     > implausible.
>     >
>     > In particular, as far as I know, Ralph Nader does not advocate
>     getting
>     > rid of the Federal Reserve function of regulating the money supply.
>     > Nor does he advocate "pay as you go" budget rules, which, in
>     practice,
>     > are quite reactionary in their impact.
>     >
>     > This is the sentence that tipped me off:
>     >
>     > "The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air
>     behind
>     > closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended."
>     >
>     > That sentence was written by a Ron Paul supporter - someone who
>     wants
>     > to abolish the Federal Reserve, the US central bank.  I will wager a
>     > thousand dollars against a dime that Ralph Nader never signed off on
>     > it.
>     >
>     > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag
>     <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > This morning at a press conference, Cynthia McKinney (Green
>     Party), Chuck
>     > Baldwin (Constitution Party), and Ralph Nader (independent)
>     released a
>     > a statement that they agree with Congressman Ron Paul on 4 key
>     points.
>     >  Interestingly Bob (patriot act) Barr did not participate.
>     >
>     >
>     > *
>     >
>     >
>     > We Agree
>     >
>     > The Republican/Democrat duopoly has, for far too long, ignored
>     the most
>     > important issues facing our nation.  However, alternate
>     candidates Chuck
>     > Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader agree with Ron Paul
>     on four key
>     > principles central to the health of our nation. These principles
>     should be
>     > key in the considerations of every voter this November and in every
>     > election.
>     >
>     > We Agree
>     >
>     > Foreign Policy:
>     > The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our
>     > soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our
>     soldiers from
>     > around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire
>     Middle East.
>     > We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and
>     plans for
>     > attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with
>     Russia over
>     > Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer
>     friendship
>     > and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off
>     the table the
>     > threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.
>     >
>     > Privacy:
>     > We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons
>     under US
>     > jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot
>     Act, the
>     > Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must
>     reject the
>     > notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus,
>     secret
>     > tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for
>     corporations that
>     > spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government.
>     We must
>     > reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing
>     statements and
>     > excessive use of executive orders.
>     >
>     > The National Debt:
>     > We believe that there should be no increase in the national
>     debt. The burden
>     > of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already
>     threatening our
>     > economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we
>     go along
>     > and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.
>     >
>     > The Federal Reserve:
>     > We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the
>     Federal
>     > Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking,
>     corporate, and
>     > other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create
>     money and credit
>     > out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of
>     commercial interests
>     > must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of
>     corporations and no
>     > corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively
>     prosecuted for
>     > their crimes and frauds.
>
>
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