[Peace-discuss] We agree with Ron Paul: McKinney, Baldwin, Nader

Wed Sep 10 14:12:44 CDT 2008

FYI

It looks like Bob Barr (Libertarian) will be on the ballot on 45-46 ballot
lines, Cynthia McKinney (Green) on 33 ballot lines, Chuck Baldwin
(Constitution) on 36 ballot lines, and Nader (Independent) on 46 lines.

Now let's get these people into the Presidential debates!

-Walter

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:58 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

>  You did however establish that such a press conference did occur.
>
> Now you only have to find out whether or not Nader subscribes to the "We
> Agree"
> statement released by the Campaign for Liberty (C4L) on his behalf.  If you
> find out that
> Nader did not agree to the statement, I and others can promise that we will
> pursue the C4L
> with much intensity and vigour if a misleading statement has been made.
>
> I too was a bit surprised that Nader would agree to statements about the
> Federal
> Reserve, but really I dont know so much about Nader.
>
> I grew up on a farm and was rather put off by Naderite consumerism and all
> of the safety interlocks that his
> activism engendered.  We really didnt want to hear a buzzer everytime we
> open the
> door on a farm truck and Nader was summarily cursed at each instance of
> such buzzing.  It was a pain
> in the backside to saw out the catalytic convertors and disable all of the
> interlocks just
> to get a functional truck, so we on the farm werent likely to be big Nader
> fans.
>
> All that aside, the Constitution doesnt provide for a federal reserve
> bank.  The Fed prints money
> to fund the warmongering in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, where next?,
> that most of us oppose.
> The Fed devalues our currency and causes inflation in the process.
> Monetary Policy is deeper digging than most Americans want, but I can
> believe that even Nader
> is educable on monetary policy.
>
> What we need to be about is coalition building on the important issues that
> threaten us.
> If we can make progress on important matters by working together on major
> points like opposition
> to interventionism in american foreign policy, then we might make some
> progress.
>
> Wayne
>
>
> John W. wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>wrote:
>
> Did Ralph Nader make the statement that you claimed that he made?
>
>
> Not in the YouTube clip.  Not even remotely.
>
>
>
>>  On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>>
>
>> > here is youtube of Nader at the press conference.
>> >
>> > Maybe the best explanation is that this lowQ video
>> > was done in a basement with Nader and McKinney look-alikes or by
>> > a clever hacker with a video editor.
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t49qLcw2Kec
>> >
>> >
>> > Robert Naiman wrote:
>> >
>> > As far as I can tell, there was no such press conference and no such
>> > joint statement.
>> >
>> > Somebody posted a statement on a Ron Paul website claiming that these
>> > were areas of agreement, not claiming that there was a joint statement
>> > of agreement.
>> >
>> > That Ralph Nader would have signed off on this statement is highly
>> > implausible.
>> >
>> > In particular, as far as I know, Ralph Nader does not advocate getting
>> > rid of the Federal Reserve function of regulating the money supply.
>> > Nor does he advocate "pay as you go" budget rules, which, in practice,
>> > are quite reactionary in their impact.
>> >
>> > This is the sentence that tipped me off:
>> >
>> > "The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind
>> > closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended."
>> >
>> > That sentence was written by a Ron Paul supporter - someone who wants
>> > to abolish the Federal Reserve, the US central bank.  I will wager a
>> > thousand dollars against a dime that Ralph Nader never signed off on
>> > it.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > This morning at a press conference, Cynthia McKinney (Green Party),
>> Chuck
>> > Baldwin (Constitution Party), and Ralph Nader (independent) released a
>> > a statement that they agree with Congressman Ron Paul on 4 key points.
>> >  Interestingly Bob (patriot act) Barr did not participate.
>> >
>> >
>> > *
>> >
>> >
>> > We Agree
>> >
>> > The Republican/Democrat duopoly has, for far too long, ignored the most
>> > important issues facing our nation.  However, alternate candidates Chuck
>> > Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader agree with Ron Paul on four
>> key
>> > principles central to the health of our nation. These principles should
>> be
>> > key in the considerations of every voter this November and in every
>> > election.
>> >
>> > We Agree
>> >
>> > Foreign Policy:
>> > The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our
>> > soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers
>> from
>> > around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle
>> East.
>> > We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for
>> > attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over
>> > Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer
>> friendship
>> > and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table
>> the
>> > threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.
>> >
>> > Privacy:
>> > We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US
>> > jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the
>> > Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the
>> > notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret
>> > tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations
>> that
>> > spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must
>> > reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and
>> > excessive use of executive orders.
>> >
>> > The National Debt:
>> > We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The
>> burden
>> > of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening
>> our
>> > economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go
>> along
>> > and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.
>> >
>> > The Federal Reserve:
>> > We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal
>> > Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate,
>> and
>> > other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and
>> credit
>> > out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial
>> interests
>> > must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and
>> no
>> > corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for
>> > their crimes and frauds.
>>
>
>
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