[Peace-discuss] We agree with Ron Paul: McKinney, Baldwin, Nader

Wed Sep 10 14:13:01 CDT 2008

http://www.ballot-access.org/ballot-chart.html

On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Walter Pituc <wpituc2 at gmail.com> wrote:

> FYI
>
> It looks like Bob Barr (Libertarian) will be on the ballot on 45-46 ballot
> lines, Cynthia McKinney (Green) on 33 ballot lines, Chuck Baldwin
> (Constitution) on 36 ballot lines, and Nader (Independent) on 46 lines.
>
> Now let's get these people into the Presidential debates!
>
> -Walter
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:58 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>
>>  You did however establish that such a press conference did occur.
>>
>> Now you only have to find out whether or not Nader subscribes to the "We
>> Agree"
>> statement released by the Campaign for Liberty (C4L) on his behalf.  If
>> you find out that
>> Nader did not agree to the statement, I and others can promise that we
>> will pursue the C4L
>> with much intensity and vigour if a misleading statement has been made.
>>
>> I too was a bit surprised that Nader would agree to statements about the
>> Federal
>> Reserve, but really I dont know so much about Nader.
>>
>> I grew up on a farm and was rather put off by Naderite consumerism and all
>> of the safety interlocks that his
>> activism engendered.  We really didnt want to hear a buzzer everytime we
>> open the
>> door on a farm truck and Nader was summarily cursed at each instance of
>> such buzzing.  It was a pain
>> in the backside to saw out the catalytic convertors and disable all of the
>> interlocks just
>> to get a functional truck, so we on the farm werent likely to be big Nader
>> fans.
>>
>> All that aside, the Constitution doesnt provide for a federal reserve
>> bank.  The Fed prints money
>> to fund the warmongering in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, where
>> next?, that most of us oppose.
>> The Fed devalues our currency and causes inflation in the process.
>> Monetary Policy is deeper digging than most Americans want, but I can
>> believe that even Nader
>> is educable on monetary policy.
>>
>> What we need to be about is coalition building on the important issues
>> that threaten us.
>> If we can make progress on important matters by working together on major
>> points like opposition
>> to interventionism in american foreign policy, then we might make some
>> progress.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
>> John W. wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Robert Naiman <naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>> Did Ralph Nader make the statement that you claimed that he made?
>>
>>
>> Not in the YouTube clip.  Not even remotely.
>>
>>
>>
>>>  On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:19 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>> > here is youtube of Nader at the press conference.
>>> >
>>> > Maybe the best explanation is that this lowQ video
>>> > was done in a basement with Nader and McKinney look-alikes or by
>>> > a clever hacker with a video editor.
>>> >
>>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t49qLcw2Kec
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Robert Naiman wrote:
>>> >
>>> > As far as I can tell, there was no such press conference and no such
>>> > joint statement.
>>> >
>>> > Somebody posted a statement on a Ron Paul website claiming that these
>>> > were areas of agreement, not claiming that there was a joint statement
>>> > of agreement.
>>> >
>>> > That Ralph Nader would have signed off on this statement is highly
>>> > implausible.
>>> >
>>> > In particular, as far as I know, Ralph Nader does not advocate getting
>>> > rid of the Federal Reserve function of regulating the money supply.
>>> > Nor does he advocate "pay as you go" budget rules, which, in practice,
>>> > are quite reactionary in their impact.
>>> >
>>> > This is the sentence that tipped me off:
>>> >
>>> > "The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind
>>> > closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended."
>>> >
>>> > That sentence was written by a Ron Paul supporter - someone who wants
>>> > to abolish the Federal Reserve, the US central bank.  I will wager a
>>> > thousand dollars against a dime that Ralph Nader never signed off on
>>> > it.
>>> >
>>> > On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > This morning at a press conference, Cynthia McKinney (Green Party),
>>> Chuck
>>> > Baldwin (Constitution Party), and Ralph Nader (independent) released a
>>> > a statement that they agree with Congressman Ron Paul on 4 key points.
>>> >  Interestingly Bob (patriot act) Barr did not participate.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > *
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > We Agree
>>> >
>>> > The Republican/Democrat duopoly has, for far too long, ignored the most
>>> > important issues facing our nation.  However, alternate candidates
>>> Chuck
>>> > Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader agree with Ron Paul on four
>>> key
>>> > principles central to the health of our nation. These principles should
>>> be
>>> > key in the considerations of every voter this November and in every
>>> > election.
>>> >
>>> > We Agree
>>> >
>>> > Foreign Policy:
>>> > The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our
>>> > soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers
>>> from
>>> > around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle
>>> East.
>>> > We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for
>>> > attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over
>>> > Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer
>>> friendship
>>> > and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table
>>> the
>>> > threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.
>>> >
>>> > Privacy:
>>> > We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US
>>> > jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the
>>> > Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the
>>> > notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret
>>> > tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations
>>> that
>>> > spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must
>>> > reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements
>>> and
>>> > excessive use of executive orders.
>>> >
>>> > The National Debt:
>>> > We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The
>>> burden
>>> > of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening
>>> our
>>> > economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go
>>> along
>>> > and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.
>>> >
>>> > The Federal Reserve:
>>> > We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal
>>> > Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate,
>>> and
>>> > other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and
>>> credit
>>> > out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial
>>> interests
>>> > must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and
>>> no
>>> > corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for
>>> > their crimes and frauds.
>>>
>>
>>
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