[Peace-discuss] We agree with Ron Paul: McKinney, Baldwin, Nader

[E. Wayne Johnson]

Apologies for having too much fun with this, Bob.

Try calling the Campaign for Liberty 703-347-6886
and ask for Don Rasmussen, who made the press release.
It will save a lot of time if you do the proving out of this.

I would be interested to know what you find out and
absolutely promise to pursue Don with angry hordes
bearing many pitchforks and torches if
he is misleading us in the least bit on this one.

Wayne

Robert Naiman wrote:
> You posted a statement, claiming that Nader had released it. I asked
> you for the reference. I followed the link that you provided, which
> gave no indication of a press conference releasing a joint statement.
> I also followed the link on that site, which also gave no indication
> of a press conference releasing a joint statement.
>
> I'm still curious if anyone can provide evidence that Nader signed
> this statement.
>
> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 2:42 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>   
>> "As far as I can tell, there was no such press conference..."  - Robert
>> (Bob) Naiman
>>
>> Robert Naiman wrote:
>>
>> I wasn't questioning that there was a joint press conference. I was
>> questioning the assertion that Nader had signed onto to this statement
>> of principles, which was the original claim (and also seems to be
>> claimed here in a weaker form.) Can anyone provide evidence that he
>> did so?
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 1:47 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu> wrote:
>>
>>
>> [It is surprising that Ralph agreed to participate, but he clearly did.  See
>> his website: <http://www.votenader.org/blog/2008/09/10/
>> ralph-nader-ron-paul-press-conference-this-morning/>. As the following
>> account says, "It's a coup for Paul, who has settled into a role as the
>> patron saint of political outcasts. He introduced the candidates as
>> representatives of the real American majority. 'Most people are voting for
>> the lesser of two evils!' Ralph Nader took the sentiment further, arguing
>> that lousy media coverage and trivia 'like the newest one, Lipstickgate!'
>> was preventing the average voter from learning how he agreed with these four
>> candidates. As weird as the event got, this was really something: Ralph
>> Nader, old-time contributer to the Freeman, signing on to a libertarian
>> candidate's principles." --CGE]
>>
>>
>>        What About Bob?
>>
>> David Weigel | September 10, 2008, 11:50am
>> http://www.reason.com/blog/show/128716.html
>>
>> Ron Paul's press conference with the top third party candidates just wrapped
>> up, but it was missing one of the scheduled speakers: Libertarian Bob Barr.
>> Barr pulled out of the conference this morning, but the LP's Austin Petersen
>> hadn't been told. He showed up with campaign literature and was kicked out
>> of the hallway by Paul spokesman Jesse Benton. "He was extremely angry,"
>> Petersen said. "I feel like the fall guy."
>>
>> [UPDATE: A video of the press conference is here:
>> http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Ron_Paul_offers_support_to_thirdparty_0910.html]
>>
>> I'll find out shortly why Barr decided to bail on the press conference. He
>> wasn't going to get an endorsement apart from Paul's blanket,
>> quasi-endorsement of all four candidates. According to Ralph Nader (who
>> joined the Green Party's Cynthia McKinney and the Constitution Party's Chuck
>> Baldwin on the dais), Barr's campaign manager Russ Verney affirmed that Barr
>> agreed with the premise behind the press conference, that all the candidates
>> had agreed to four principles.
>>
>>    Foreign Policy: The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal
>> of all our soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our
>> soldiers from around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the
>> entire Middle East. We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade
>> and plans for attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with
>> Russia over Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer
>> friendship and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the
>> table the threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.
>>
>>    Privacy: We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons
>> under US jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act,
>> the Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the
>> notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret
>> tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations that
>> spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must
>> reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and
>> excessive use of executive orders.
>>
>>    The National Debt: We believe that there should be no increase in the
>> national debt. The burden of debt placed on the next generation is unjust
>> and already threatening our economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay
>> our bills as we go along and not unfairly place this burden on a future
>> generation.
>>
>>    The Federal Reserve: We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and
>> audit of the Federal Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the
>> banking, corporate, and other The arbitrary power to create money and credit
>> out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests
>> must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and no
>> corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for
>> their crimes and frauds. financial institutions.
>>
>> Barr agrees with all of that. It's a coup for Paul, who has settled into a
>> role as the patron saint of political outcasts. He introduced the candidates
>> as representatives of the real American majority. "Most people are voting
>> for the lesser of two evils!" Ralph Nader took the sentiment further,
>> arguing that lousy media coverage and trivia "like the newest one,
>> Lipstickgate!" was preventing the average voter from learning how he agreed
>> with these four candidates. As weird as the event got, this was really
>> something: Ralph Nader, old-time contributer to the Freeman, signing on to a
>> libertarian candidate's principles. Cynthia McKinney and Chuck Baldwin
>> agreeing on the bulk of a political platform.
>>
>> But it did get weird. There was no censorship of the candidates. Cynthia
>> McKinney had time to tell press to watch the film American Blackout and
>> learn how the 2000 and 2004 elections were stolen. Chuck Baldwin repeated
>> his line that when he's elected "the New World Order comes crashing down!"
>>
>> A few more details:
>>
>> - Paul said that the McCain campaign contacted him on Tuesday about
>> endorsing the GOP candidate. He turned them down, again.
>>
>> - Paul lambasted the Commission on Presidential Debates for excluding third
>> parties and recalled the way that his was excluded from Dukakis-Bush debates
>> 20 years ago. (Those wounds never heal. Who hasn't wondered what he would
>> have done if Kitty Dukakis was raped and murdered?) Paul's stance: If you're
>> on enough ballots to theoretically win 270 electoral votes, you should
>> debate.
>>
>> - Paul, on whether his endorsements would hurt McCain or Obama: "I don't
>> want to hurt anybody! I want to save the country!"
>>
>>
>> Robert Naiman wrote:
>>
>>
>> As far as I can tell, there was no such press conference and no such
>> joint statement.
>>
>> Somebody posted a statement on a Ron Paul website claiming that these
>> were areas of agreement, not claiming that there was a joint statement
>> of agreement.
>>
>> That Ralph Nader would have signed off on this statement is highly
>> implausible.
>>
>> In particular, as far as I know, Ralph Nader does not advocate getting
>> rid of the Federal Reserve function of regulating the money supply.
>> Nor does he advocate "pay as you go" budget rules, which, in practice,
>> are quite reactionary in their impact.
>>
>> This is the sentence that tipped me off:
>>
>> "The arbitrary power to create money and credit out of thin air behind
>> closed doors for the benefit of commercial interests must be ended."
>>
>> That sentence was written by a Ron Paul supporter - someone who wants
>> to abolish the Federal Reserve, the US central bank.  I will wager a
>> thousand dollars against a dime that Ralph Nader never signed off on
>> it.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 10:41 AM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This morning at a press conference, Cynthia McKinney (Green Party), Chuck
>> Baldwin (Constitution Party), and Ralph Nader (independent) released a
>> a statement that they agree with Congressman Ron Paul on 4 key points.
>>  Interestingly Bob (patriot act) Barr did not participate.
>>
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> We Agree
>>
>> The Republican/Democrat duopoly has, for far too long, ignored the most
>> important issues facing our nation.  However, alternate candidates Chuck
>> Baldwin, Cynthia McKinney, and Ralph Nader agree with Ron Paul on four
>> key
>> principles central to the health of our nation. These principles should
>> be
>> key in the considerations of every voter this November and in every
>> election.
>>
>> We Agree
>>
>> Foreign Policy:
>> The Iraq War must end as quickly as possible with removal of all our
>> soldiers from the region. We must initiate the return of our soldiers
>> from
>> around the world, including Korea, Japan, Europe and the entire Middle
>> East.
>> We must cease the war propaganda, threats of a blockade and plans for
>> attacks on Iran, nor should we re-ignite the cold war with Russia over
>> Georgia. We must be willing to talk to all countries and offer friendship
>> and trade and travel to all who are willing. We must take off the table
>> the
>> threat of a nuclear first strike against all nations.
>>
>> Privacy:
>> We must protect the privacy and civil liberties of all persons under US
>> jurisdiction. We must repeal or radically change the Patriot Act, the
>> Military Commissions Act, and the FISA legislation. We must reject the
>> notion and practice of torture, eliminations of habeas corpus, secret
>> tribunals, and secret prisons. We must deny immunity for corporations
>> that
>> spy willingly on the people for the benefit of the government. We must
>> reject the unitary presidency, the illegal use of signing statements and
>> excessive use of executive orders.
>>
>> The National Debt:
>> We believe that there should be no increase in the national debt. The
>> burden
>> of debt placed on the next generation is unjust and already threatening
>> our
>> economy and the value of our dollar. We must pay our bills as we go along
>> and not unfairly place this burden on a future generation.
>>
>> The Federal Reserve:
>> We seek a thorough investigation, evaluation and audit of the Federal
>> Reserve System and its cozy relationships with the banking, corporate,
>> and
>> other financial institutions. The arbitrary power to create money and
>> credit
>> out of thin air behind closed doors for the benefit of commercial
>> interests
>> must be ended. There should be no taxpayer bailouts of corporations and
>> no
>> corporate subsidies. Corporations should be aggressively prosecuted for
>> their crimes and frauds.
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