[Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous

[unionyes]

Agreed Carl !

But then there is the issue of if really we have free speech or not in this 
country, when the corporate media dominates the airwaves that are the most 
accessable to most people.

Where would we get the money to start a brand new cable TV news network like 
FOX did in the 1990's, and even if we did, I could guarantee you that no 
national cable company would broadcast it to their subscribers.

But another more importent issue here is that Amy Goodman of Democracy Now 
reports news that the corporate media ignores or suppreses.
Lou Dobbs main theme is hatred for Mexican immigrants and now encouragement 
of violence against advocates of a public healthcare option.

To me, we should attack him for this and TRY to cause heat for CNN for 
allowing this racist and fascist programing.
It's not like any of us can get access to his program for a debate, so is 
our only option  to shrug our shoulders and encourage Dobbs and FOX to 
escalate their hate speech and encourage the equivalent of nazi brown shirts 
to physically attack anyone who is against them publicly, both peaceful 
demonstrators and alternative media ?

David J.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
To: "unionyes" <unionyes at ameritech.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous


>I don't see much similarity between what Dobbs and Goodman are saying.
>
> But I'm against any assertion of the form, "X should be taken off the air 
> because of what X is saying!"
>
> Obviously, that doesn't commit me to support the substance of "what X is 
> saying"
> for any X.
>
> I think Chomsky is right when he says, "If we don't believe in freedom of
> expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."
>
> And I despise a lot of people. --CGE
>
>
> unionyes wrote:
>> Carl,
>>
>> I usually agree with most of your points and analysis, but how you can 
>> claim
>> ANY similarities between Lou Dobbs ( and his promotion of racism against
>> Mexicans and now inciting violence against those who want a watered down
>> public healthcare option ) and Amy Goodman is beyond me !
>>
>> David Johnson
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook" 
>> <galliher at illinois.edu> To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com> 
>> Cc: "Peace-discuss"
>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 3:02 
>> PM Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous
>>
>>
>>> If this were about Amy Goodman, we'd regard it as an attempt at 
>>> censorship.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On *Tue, 8/11/09, Jim Dean, Democracy for America 
>>>> /<info at democracyforamerica.com>/* wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Jim Dean, Democracy for America <info at democracyforamerica.com> 
>>>> Subject: Lou Dobbs is dangerous To: jencart13 at yahoo.com Date: Tuesday,
>>>> August 11, 2009, 2:21 PM
>>>>
>>>> Jenifer -
>>>>
>>>> It's time to get Lou Dobbs and his hate speech off the air.
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, our friends at /Media Matters for America/, who are 
>>>> dedicated
>>>> to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative 
>>>> misinformation in the U.S. media, caught Lou Dobbs promoting hate and 
>>>> inciting violence towards Governor Howard Dean.
>>>>
>>>> With violence from right-wing extremist groups on the rise and 
>>>> Republican
>>>>  backed mobs hanging cardboard versions of members of congress in 
>>>> effigy,
>>>> Lou Dobbs' statement is dangerous. Enough is enough.
>>>>
>>>> It's time for CNN and the United Stations Radio Network to fire Lou 
>>>> Dobbs. Call Now and demand Lou Dobbs be taken off the air 
>>>> <http://dfa2.convio.net/site/R?i=R0TlwMzgXX7kD7BRD8xOtA...> *WATCH THE
>>>> CLIP AND GET THE NUMBERS TO CALL NOW 
>>>> <http://dfa2.convio.net/site/R?i=jHAUT1gq_X1Hc10eJFtoBQ..> *
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This isn't the first time Lou Dobbs has used the air waves to promote 
>>>> hate and embarrass CNN.
>>>>
>>>> His relentless promotion of debunked, racially charged conspiracy 
>>>> theories about President Obama's birth certificate have already 
>>>> seriously
>>>> damaged CNN's credibility. Yet, Lou Dobbs remains on the air.
>>>>
>>>> Now, he's gone too far. He's not just making CNN look bad, he's 
>>>> inciting violence to stop Governor Dean from fighting for President 
>>>> Obama's health
>>>>  insurance option. That's not just un-American, it's irresponsible and 
>>>> dangerous.
>>>>
>>>> It's up to us to make sure CNN and the United Stations Radio Network 
>>>> know
>>>>  we've had enough.
>>>>
>>>> *CALL NOW AND DEMAND LOU DOBBS BE TAKEN OFF THE AIR 
>>>> <http://dfa2.convio.net/site/R?i=R0inr8Lzz5A9YYfePW7zcQ..>*
>>>>
>>>> This isn't just about my brother Howard; this is about the America we 
>>>> all
>>>>  want to live in.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for everything you do,
>>>>
>>>> -Jim
>>>>
>>>> Jim Dean, Chair Democracy for America
>>>>
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