[Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous

Sat Aug 15 20:20:07 CDT 2009

And your point Laurie in 50 words or less ?

David J.

P.S. I am NOT trying to be " flippant " or disrespectfull, becaue I truely respect your opinion and knowldge ~!
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: LAURIE SOLOMON 
  To: 'unionyes' 
  Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:12 PM
  Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous

  I guess that may be where we disagree; I think that there is a tendency to give too little credence to the fact that there is this demand and that it comes from a significant and large segment of the U.S. public who may be guided by corporate spin  bought by corporate money but which nonetheless  represent and embodies some very fundamental values and beliefs that are actually deeply held by a large number of the American public and masses. American racism, ethnic and religious prejudice, cultural biases against intellectual as opposed to practical education, and fear and hatred of  new immigrants and people from other countries, intolerance, bigotry, and demand for conformity are somethings that preexisted the rise of corporations in  America or corporate America.  The corporate establishment with its power and wealth has been able to use these characteristics of the American public to their advantage very effectively in modern times; but it is not the source, cause, or grounds for said attitudes, values, or love of violence toward other living creatures and properties. As was once said by Stockley Carmicheal, I believe, "Violence is as American as Apple Pie."  I would add that so is lawlessness, intolerance, prejudice, conformity, as well as notions of racial, ethnic, and  religious supremacy, as American as apple pie.  They all have roots that pre-date the rise of American corporations and are part of our cultural and psychological heritage.

  From: unionyes [mailto:unionyes at ameritech.net] 
  Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 3:05 PM
  To: LAURIE SOLOMON
  Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous

  It's not so much that ; Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, etc., have a demand for their shows from a large segment of the U.S. public, but instead is a function of what the corporate advertisers, the rest of corporate america and the wealthy right-wing foundations want and will pay for !

  David J.

    ----- Original Message ----- 

    From: LAURIE SOLOMON 

    To: 'Neil Parthun' ; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net 

    Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:36 AM

    Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous

    Whether or not one is engaged in censorship in this case appears to depend on one's referent level being addressed.  Your point about Lou Dobbs, the person, may have some merit vis-à-vis the difference between censorship and access to the exulted platform of radio & TV; however if you move the level of reference up to the radio/TV station level, then one might be seen as engaging in the censorship of the station and its broadcast content.

    While no one guarantees the right to have a nationally televised show, no one guarantees anyone the right to prevent someone from having such a show or, for that matter prevents someone from having such a show.  In the case of radio/TV, the air waves allegedly belong to the public to license to actors for use.   The radio/TV stations and networks are among those actors; and within legally prescribed restrictions they are free to air whatever content they see fit,  independent of what the public or any portion of the public might desire although in this country that decision is driven by the market (audience share and advertising money).  Obviously, if one wants to alter the legal restrictions, one needs to go through the process of changing the legal framework , statutes, and administrative rules pertaining to the conditions of licensing.

    If one moves up a level to the ownership and control over the air waves, which belong legally to the public, then I am afraid that those who wish to see Dobbs shut down are going to lose for now and in the near future since they do not compose a majority of the public - or enough to force a change in the licensing requirements for the stations and their personnel as to the sorts of content that they can air and when.  Like the other right-wing talk commentators, his station and he appear to have strong national following that support and demand him be given air time and are willing to put their money where their mouths are.  That cannot be said for the progressives, the left, or even the moderate reformers.  If they comprised a significantly large population and if each contributed $5 or $10 each per year for purposes of buying advertising on the stations that carry Dobbs, they could probably use that as leverage to get the stations to either reel him and other in or take them off the air.  But it seems that the progressives, the left, liberal and moderate reformers would rather hold on to their money  or spend it elsewhere and exercise their lungs shouting and crying about him and his content instead.

    From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of Neil Parthun
    Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:13 PM
    To: C.G.Estabrook
    Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
    Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous

    Banning speech and requesting that such speech does not have a hyper-exulted platform to amplify it are two very different things.

    Nobody is saying Lou Dobbs doesn't have a right to say whatever he wants.  He has that right.  However, no person is guaranteed the right to have a nationally televised show to promote their views and perspectives on any topic.

    Solidarity,

      -N.

    Neil Parthun

      IEA Region 9 Grassroots Political Activist

      Writer/Facilitator for Champaign-Urbana Public i

    "Early in life I had learned that if you want something, you had better make some noise." - Malcolm X

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