[Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous
C. G. Estabrook
galliher at illinois.edu
Sat Aug 15 21:42:43 CDT 2009
How were you able to escape these defects?
LAURIE SOLOMON wrote:
> Very simply and to the point the people of the U.S. , for the most part, are
> and have been inherently all the things that Dobbs, Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh
> et al stand for. They comprise a natural audience for these commentators and
> those like them and, therefore, represent a significant demand for their type
> of commentary, which can be denied and ignored at one’s own peril.
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> To elaborate:
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> If anything these commentators are catering to the inherent racism,
> intolerance, ethnic bigotry, religious prejudices, social Dawinian biases,
> fearfulness, desires for conformity, love of violence, etc. that is part and
> parcel of America and its people. The people already have these traits and
> have no need for corporations or the corporate establishment to instill,
> encourage, or bring out such attitudes and values since they pre-existed the
> rise of corporations in the US and of corporate America. Hence, they are not
> the creatures of corporate power, money or spin. To be sure, contemporary
> corporations make use of the existence of these attitudes and values for
> their own purposes – often to maintain control over the workings of the
> society so that it works in their interests – whenever possible. However,
> the corporate establishment is not the source of these attitudes and values.
> Hence there exists a significantly large native group who hold these and
> similar values, beliefs, and attitudes which make up a natural audience for
> the Dobbs. Becks et al which create a demand for what Dobbs, beck et al are
> giving them. To deny this or to minimize it is to play ostrich and stick
> one’s head in the ground.
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> *From:* unionyes [mailto:unionyes at ameritech.net] *Sent:* Saturday, August 15,
> 2009 8:20 PM *To:* Peace-discuss List; LAURIE SOLOMON *Subject:* Re:
> [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous
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> And your point Laurie in 50 words or less ?
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> David J.
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> P.S. I am NOT trying to be " flippant " or disrespectfull, becaue I truely
> respect your opinion and knowldge ~!
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> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* LAURIE SOLOMON <mailto:LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
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> *To:* 'unionyes' <mailto:unionyes at ameritech.net>
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> *Sent:* Saturday, August 15, 2009 8:12 PM
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> *Subject:* RE: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous
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> I guess that may be where we disagree; I think that there is a tendency to
> give too little credence to the fact that there is this demand and that it
> comes from a significant and large segment of the U.S. public who may be
> guided by corporate spin bought by corporate money but which nonetheless
> represent and embodies some very fundamental values and beliefs that are
> actually deeply held by a large number of the American public and masses.
> American racism, ethnic and religious prejudice, cultural biases against
> intellectual as opposed to practical education, and fear and hatred of new
> immigrants and people from other countries, intolerance, bigotry, and demand
> for conformity are somethings that preexisted the rise of corporations in
> America or corporate America. The corporate establishment with its power and
> wealth has been able to use these characteristics of the American public to
> their advantage very effectively in modern times; but it is not the source,
> cause, or grounds for said attitudes, values, or love of violence toward
> other living creatures and properties. As was once said by Stockley
> Carmicheal, I believe, “Violence is as American as Apple Pie.” I would add
> that so is lawlessness, intolerance, prejudice, conformity, as well as
> notions of racial, ethnic, and religious supremacy, as American as apple
> pie. They all have roots that pre-date the rise of American corporations and
> are part of our cultural and psychological heritage.
>
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> *From:* unionyes [mailto:unionyes at ameritech.net] *Sent:* Saturday, August 15,
> 2009 3:05 PM *To:* LAURIE SOLOMON *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou
> Dobbs is dangerous
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> It's not so much that ; Lou Dobbs, Rush Limbaugh, etc., have a demand for
> their shows from a large segment of the U.S. public, but instead is a
> function of what the corporate advertisers, the rest of corporate america and
> the wealthy right-wing foundations want and will pay for !
>
>
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> David J.
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> *From:* LAURIE SOLOMON <mailto:LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
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> *To:* 'Neil Parthun' <mailto:lennybrucefan at gmail.com> ;
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
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> *Sent:* Saturday, August 15, 2009 10:36 AM
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> *Subject:* RE: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous
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> Whether or not one is engaged in censorship in this case appears to depend on
> one’s referent level being addressed. Your point about Lou Dobbs, the
> person, may have some merit vis-à-vis the difference between censorship and
> access to the exulted platform of radio & TV; however if you move the level
> of reference up to the radio/TV station level, then one might be seen as
> engaging in the censorship of the station and its broadcast content.
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> While no one guarantees the right to have a nationally televised show, no one
> guarantees anyone the right to prevent someone from having such a show or,
> for that matter prevents someone from having such a show. In the case of
> radio/TV, the air waves allegedly belong to the public to license to actors
> for use. The radio/TV stations and networks are among those actors; and
> within legally prescribed restrictions they are free to air whatever content
> they see fit, independent of what the public or any portion of the public
> might desire although in this country that decision is driven by the market
> (audience share and advertising money). Obviously, if one wants to alter the
> legal restrictions, one needs to go through the process of changing the
> legal framework , statutes, and administrative rules pertaining to the
> conditions of licensing.
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> If one moves up a level to the ownership and control over the air waves,
> which belong legally to the public, then I am afraid that those who wish to
> see Dobbs shut down are going to lose for now and in the near future since
> they do not compose a majority of the public – or enough to force a change in
> the licensing requirements for the stations and their personnel as to the
> sorts of content that they can air and when. Like the other right-wing talk
> commentators, his station and he appear to have strong national following
> that support and demand him be given air time and are willing to put their
> money where their mouths are. That cannot be said for the progressives, the
> left, or even the moderate reformers. If they comprised a significantly
> large population and if each contributed $5 or $10 each per year for purposes
> of buying advertising on the stations that carry Dobbs, they could probably
> use that as leverage to get the stations to either reel him and other in or
> take them off the air. But it seems that the progressives, the left, liberal
> and moderate reformers would rather hold on to their money or spend it
> elsewhere and exercise their lungs shouting and crying about him and his
> content instead.
>
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> *From:* peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
> [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] *On Behalf Of *Neil Parthun
> *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2009 10:13 PM *To:* C.G.Estabrook *Cc:*
> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs
> is dangerous
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> Banning speech and requesting that such speech does not have a hyper-exulted
> platform to amplify it are two very different things.
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> Nobody is saying Lou Dobbs doesn't have a right to say whatever he wants. He
> has that right. However, no person is guaranteed the right to have a
> nationally televised show to promote their views and perspectives on any
> topic.
>
> Solidarity,
>
> -N.
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> Neil Parthun
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> IEA Region 9 Grassroots Political Activist
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> Writer/Facilitator for Champaign-Urbana Public i
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> "Early in life I had learned that if you want something, you had better make
> some noise." - Malcolm X
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