FW: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous ('murder music' as hate speech)

[E. Wayne Johnson]

If the hands are washed above the wrist, it is likely the 2nd Amendment 
right to Bare Arms
that we should be concerned with, not  freedom of speech.

On 8/17/2009 7:10 PM, LAURIE SOLOMON wrote:
>
> John,
>
> As for your example, you have  not  banned the right to unclean hands 
> by such action; what you have done is pressured the restaurant to ban 
> that right.   If the restaurant does require their employees to wash 
> their hands, then the restaurant is the one who has banned the right 
> to unclean hands while acting as their employee.  All you have done is 
> demand or request that they take such action; but it is up to them to 
> decide if they will give in to your demand or request.
>
> *From:* peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net 
> [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] *On Behalf Of *John W.
> *Sent:* Monday, August 17, 2009 5:04 PM
> *To:* C. G. Estabrook
> *Cc:* Ron Szoke; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; Stuart Levy
> *Subject:* Re: FW: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous ('murder 
> music' as hate speech)
>
> On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM, C. G. Estabrook 
> <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
>
> So those who contact the media outlets who broadcast Amy Goodman and 
> demand that she be taken off the air would NOT be advocating the 
> banning of [her] free speech?
>
> I think they would, and I'd object to it.
>
>
> Oxford English Dictionary, Carl.  "Banning".
>
> If you own/run a restaurant, Carl, and I request that you require your 
> employees to wash their hands before preparing my food or else I will 
> not be able to patronize your restaurant in the future, have I 
> "banned" the "right to unclean hands"?
>
>
>     John W. wrote:
>
>
>         On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM, C. G. Estabrook
>         <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>
>         <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>>>
>         wrote:
>
>            Jenifer--
>
>            You seem to suggest that you were not "advocating the
>         'banning of
>            free speech.'"
>
>            On Wed Aug 12 you forwarded to the list
>         >
>         > ...It's time to get Lou Dobbs and his hate speech off the air.
>         > ...CALL NOW AND DEMAND LOU DOBBS BE TAKEN OFF THE AIR
>
>            Why isn't that "advocating the banning of [Lou Dobbs'] free
>         speech"?
>
>            Regards, CGE
>
>
>         Maybe you should look up "banning" in your Oxford English
>         Dictionary, Carl.
>
>         If Jenifer was suggesting (as she was NOT) that we call our
>         state legislators and ask them to make it a criminal offense
>         for a radio or TV station or web site to broadcast the words
>         of Lou Dobbs, that would be "advocating the banning of free
>         speech".
>
>         If, on the other hand, Jenifer was suggesting (as she was)
>         that we contact the media outlets who broadcast Lou Dobbs and
>         make known our own private, personal displeasure at the
>         content of his speech and at anyone who would be a party to
>         such drivel, that is NOT "advocating the banning of free speech".
>
>         What deep-seated psychological complex makes you feel, Carl,
>         that you must ALWAYS have the last word?
>
>         John Wason
>
>
>            Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>
>
>                Well said, Ron. Also a perfect example of the influence
>         these
>                shock jockeys have on folks, even those on this list.
>                The MO is
>                1) deliberately misinterpret what's been said
>                2) lie about what's been said
>                3) go on the attack
>                4) repeat 1-3 ad infinitum
>                Think: accusing me of advocating the "banning free speech"
>                Think: Limbaugh, Sarah Palin et al on "death panels"
>                Yeah, we're done here.
>                 --Jenifer
>
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