FW: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous ('murder music' as hate speech)

[LAURIE SOLOMON]

John,

 

As for your example, you have  not  banned the right to unclean hands by
such action; what you have done is pressured the restaurant to ban that
right.   If the restaurant does require their employees to wash their hands,
then the restaurant is the one who has banned the right to unclean hands
while acting as their employee.  All you have done is demand or request that
they take such action; but it is up to them to decide if they will give in
to your demand or request.

 

 

From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
[mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of John W.
Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:04 PM
To: C. G. Estabrook
Cc: Ron Szoke; peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net; Stuart Levy
Subject: Re: FW: [Peace-discuss] Fw: Lou Dobbs is dangerous ('murder music'
as hate speech)

 

 

On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 4:24 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
wrote:

So those who contact the media outlets who broadcast Amy Goodman and demand
that she be taken off the air would NOT be advocating the banning of [her]
free speech?

I think they would, and I'd object to it.


Oxford English Dictionary, Carl.  "Banning".

If you own/run a restaurant, Carl, and I request that you require your
employees to wash their hands before preparing my food or else I will not be
able to patronize your restaurant in the future, have I "banned" the "right
to unclean hands"?


 

John W. wrote:

 


On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 1:57 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu
<mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:

   Jenifer--

   You seem to suggest that you were not "advocating the 'banning of
   free speech.'"

   On Wed Aug 12 you forwarded to the list
    >
    > ...It's time to get Lou Dobbs and his hate speech off the air.
    > ...CALL NOW AND DEMAND LOU DOBBS BE TAKEN OFF THE AIR

   Why isn't that "advocating the banning of [Lou Dobbs'] free speech"?

   Regards, CGE


Maybe you should look up "banning" in your Oxford English Dictionary, Carl.

If Jenifer was suggesting (as she was NOT) that we call our state
legislators and ask them to make it a criminal offense for a radio or TV
station or web site to broadcast the words of Lou Dobbs, that would be
"advocating the banning of free speech".

If, on the other hand, Jenifer was suggesting (as she was) that we contact
the media outlets who broadcast Lou Dobbs and make known our own private,
personal displeasure at the content of his speech and at anyone who would be
a party to such drivel, that is NOT "advocating the banning of free speech".

What deep-seated psychological complex makes you feel, Carl, that you must
ALWAYS have the last word?

John Wason

 
   Jenifer Cartwright wrote:


       Well said, Ron. Also a perfect example of the influence these
       shock jockeys have on folks, even those on this list.
       The MO is
       1) deliberately misinterpret what's been said
       2) lie about what's been said
       3) go on the attack
       4) repeat 1-3 ad infinitum
       Think: accusing me of advocating the "banning free speech"
       Think: Limbaugh, Sarah Palin et al on "death panels"
       Yeah, we're done here.
        --Jenifer 

 

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