[Peace-discuss] Fw: We're unstoppable
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigs.ag
Tue Aug 18 19:33:45 CDT 2009
Ricky, you can google out a verification as easily as I can. I dont think
the allegations are untrue but I chuckle at the rhetoric on both sides.
I am convinced that the US health care delivery system is disgracefully
Awful,
and I would compare those who manage it quite unfavourably with such
nobilities as
wolves, buzzards, and maggots.
The technological level is good but there are numerous glaring
deficiencies in
what is being delivered. There are huge problems with the way the delivery
is done. Americans are being held hostage by the medical-pharmaceutical
legal-regulatory industrial complex, and most Americans are so deluded
and unaware
that they hardly notice how badly and disgracefully they are being
ripped off.
Americans are afraid to die, terrified in fact, and to one with a "sick"
sense of humour, its
simply hilarious to see them in action.
I am constantly reminded of Tom Woods's classic statement about the
Stupid Party (clearly the Dems)
and the Evil Party (clearly the Republicans), and Bipartisanship being
when they get together in cooperation and
do something that is truly Stupid and Evil. It is quite a circus seeing
the two sides of this fiasco turning
similar rhetoric and tactics on one another. They really aint so much
different and quite frankly I dont
see either side working for anything that could remotely be identified
as any sort of genuine reform.
To use a worn out analogy, it's like rearranging the deck chairs on the
Titanic.
I would favour a cooperative-based system with dramatically reduced
regulations, dramatically increased
consumer education and transparency, and a complete destruction of the
predatory tort system, and massive increases
in recruitment of personnel into the medical field. Licensure could be
continued, but the penalties for lack of licensure
would be non-existent. Medical care facilities could choose to have
licensed or unlicensed practitioners, and it would
be the responsibility of the consumer to choose between whether to trust
in a licensed quack or an oft more
competent unlicensed quack. There are more ideas along this line.
Single-payer doesnt fix the real problems, it just increases the burden
on the system. I am suggesting a dramatic
reduction in the medical care burden via a common-sense approach.
On 8/18/2009 5:46 PM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
> Is there a source on this, Wayne? You see, the reason I want to know
> is to assess the credibility of this reported event and other
> allegations therein. That's important, because anybody can make up
> anything. For example, in this email you forward below the author -
> whoever that is - refers to the Obama Admin's health care proposals as
> "socialist" (the baldest nonsense, no matter whether you think the
> plan is good or not). Such rantings in my opinion probably impugn the
> witness here substantially, but since I don't actually know what
> happened at this event I would like to keep an open mind.
> However, this is already pretty difficult given this characterization
> of support for the "socializing" health care as originating with
> MoveOn and "hired thugs". As you may know Tim Johnson's meeting
> locally in the library was quite different. Supporters of the
> much-touted "public option" and the much-maligned "single payer" idea
> were not "hired thugs" but local community members dedicated to health
> care and organized by excellent organizers - whether you agree with
> them or not. Perhaps this did happen somewhere. We can't tell from
> this anonymous report.
> You may be right that purists on both sides are wrong, and maybe if we
> had a beer at the White House or something we'd agree that there is
> good and bad in the plan. The fact remains that in the richest, most
> powerful country on earth millions of people are without real health
> care options, most of them children and older Americans, some of them
> AWARE-istas from way back and dedicated individuals to the peace and
> social justice, others very good people who may be dedicated to
> helping their fellow human beings in other ways, or people who have
> worked hard their whole lives only to be robbed of their health care
> and so on at the end.
> Many will eventually die because of the simple neglect of their
> society, perhaps after last-minute attempts to save their lives at ERs
> across the nation - which the opponents of reform will ultimately pay
> for along with the rest of us - but not as high a price as those
> without health care.
> I claim this is what this debate is ultimately about: what do we value
> most, our creature comforts (SUVs, TVs - more sets than people in the
> average home, according to Nielsen
> http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/media_entertainment/more-than-half-the-homes-in-us-have-three-or-more-tvs/,
> etc.), narrow political or ideological advantage, or our fellow human
> beings.
> Some high-minded folks on this list will likely claim I'm being
> simplistic or disingenuous, but that's what it really comes down to,
> no matter whose name's on the bill, who supports it, what color their
> skin or electoral map fill, public or private, perfect or imperfect:
> what will do the most good for the most people? How can we get the
> most we can and make it stick?
> I think that's probably single-payer, which it appears we won't get
> this time (but we shouldn't give up), which the Obama plan isn't of
> course. But consider this analogy: you're suddenly homeless, but you
> have a job with an office. You can sleep there, but you'd have to be
> out at 6am every weekday morning. The building has toilets, and
> there's a gym where you can shower (group shower - at 6:30am usually
> occupied by jocks and ROTC recruits). You're unlikley to find better
> for six months or so, but by then hopefully you can marshall your
> resources and try again. OK, the analogy isn't perfect, but it's
> authentic and the life lesson applies: you don't turn your nose up at
> options when you're desperate, you get what you can and keep trying.
> My 2c.
> Ricky
>
> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>
> --- On *Tue, 8/18/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: We're unstoppable
> To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 5:01 PM
>
> This is an actual item I received today. I am convinced that the
> groups on
> both "sides" of the health care debate and debacle are in error.
>
> _*
> Left-Wing THUGS Attack Americans Opposed to "ObamaCare*_
> It's getting ugly out there. All across the country, left-wing
> extremists are disrupting congressional town-hall meetings
> with venomous attacks on anyone who voices their objections to
> Barack Obama's plans to socialize American health care.
>
> · At a town hall meeting with Rep. Kathy Castor in Tampa, Florida,
> as she was introduced,
> the reaction was overwhelmingly against her, with boos and chants
> of "You work for us."
> In the lobby, you could hear the counter of Planned Parenthood
> representatives shouting,
> "Healthcare Now." Shortly thereafter, violence erupted, where
> three big "goons" came out
> and started pushing and roughing up the people in line and in the
> hallway, at one point
> even using a chokehold on one of the people. Police officers on
> the scene did nothing to
> prevent the violence being perpetrated on these citizens trying to
> exercise their free
> speech rights -- citizens who far outnumbered those who were
> allowed to stay.
>
> · At a town hall meeting with Rep. Russ Carnahan in St. Louis,
> Missouri, police arrested six people for assaulting constituents who
> were opposed to the health care takeover. As reported locally,
> "Kenneth Gladney, 38, a conservative activist from St. Louis, said he
> was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out yellow
> flags with 'Don't tread on me' printed on them. He spoke to the
> Post-Dispatch from the emergency room at St. John's Mercy Medical
> Center, where he said he was awaiting treatment for injuries
> to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face. Gladney, who is
> black, said one of his attackers, also a black man, used a racial slur
> against him before the attack."
>
> Many Representatives have announced they won't be holding any
> town-hall meetings after seeing that their constituents are OPPOSED
> to the socialist "ObamaCare". We've got a plan to fight back
> against these radical left-wingers. Barack Obama's "Organizing for
> America" group is sending out
> Alerts to get their people to come out to townhalls to shout us
> down with "powerful voices". MoveOn.org has hired skilled "grassroots
> organizers" -- meaning, people like the union thugs in those
> videos -- who are working at townhalls across the country to give
> the impression
> that there's ANY support for Obama's plans to socialize health
> care in America. They've built new online tools to track events
> across the country -- and to make sure MoveOn members turn out at
> each one.
> They're raising hundreds of thousands of dollars to push their
> far-left agenda, against the true grassroots uprising we're
> witnessing in
> America.
>
> WE'RE FIGHTING BACK -- but we need the help of patriotic Americans
> like YOU to succeed!
> Can you chip in a donation today to support our work?
>
> If the bullying tactics of the left-wing goons are successful at
> suppressing the only true grassroots voices our senators and
> representatives
> hear over the recess, we'll have a hard time stopping the
> socialist plans of Obama, Pelosi and Reid in September.
> That's why we're getting the word out about Town Hall meetings
> across the nation -- we've created a new ad for television and radio,
> we're sending millions of email to our members to fight back with
> a strong town hall turnout, we're offering personalized blast faxes to
> every single member of Congress, and we're activating an energized
> network of on-the-ground constituents who aren't afraid to speak
> out against ObamaCare and the bullying tactics of the Left. This
> month could decide the future of health care in America-and we're
> already one week in. If you've been sitting on the sidelines,
> now's the time
>
>
> On 8/18/2009 3:07 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>> Definitely not just another Dem rubber stamp. Glad that Dean's
>> still a staunch supporter of public option... and getting a lot
>> of air play these days, even a bit on MSM.
>> --Jenifer
>>
>> --- On *Tue, 8/18/09, Gov. Howard Dean, Democracy for America
>> /<info at democracyforamerica.com>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Jenifer -
>>
>> Here's what I know: *When we work together, we're unstoppable*.
>>
>> As my brother Jim said yesterday, the media has it wrong. The
>> campaign for the choice of a public health insurance option
>> will be over only if we quit or we've won. That decision is
>> ours to make. Not the media's decision - Not the insurance
>> industry's decision - It's our decision.
>>
>> *We have the power and we're going to win.*
>>
>> Make no mistake, victory won't happen overnight. Just like
>> President Obama's campaign for President, this campaign is a
>> long haul. Congress returns in September for the final
>> stretch to pass reform by the end of the year.
>>
>> We must have the resources to fuel this fight. If we raise
>> $200,000 by Monday, we can hit back immediately. Congress
>> will know we're not backing down in the face of pressure.
>> We're standing up to get the job done.
>>
>> *CONTRIBUTE RIGHT NOW AND DELIVER THE RESOURCES TO WIN
>> <http://dfa2.convio.net/site/R?i=sXzZXNDf2O4yompyP_Zlxg..>*
>>
>> Victory takes courage, conviction, and commitment. It takes
>> you. The power to change America is in your hands. It always
>> has been.
>>
>> Thank you, Jenifer, for everything you do to win.
>>
>> -Howard
>>
>> Governor Howard Dean, M.D.
>> Founder, Democracy for America
>>
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