[Peace-discuss] in case you haven't seen Barney Frank's finest hour

[C. G. Estabrook]

Actually, I think the issue was whether there was something called "hate speech"
that didn't deserve the protection of free speech.  I don't think there is.


John W. wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 2:20 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu 
> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't it have been better if he'd found out why the woman made the
> comparison she did and what the source of her information was, and refuted
> it, if he could?
> 
> This bit of low theater just keeps the argument going -- which may after all
> be the point.  --CGE
> 
> 
> You apparently haven't spent much time with people who think differently than
> you do, Carl.  Or else your own critical thinking skills are deteriorating.
> 
> As Barney Frank said, there' s no point in even trying to engage such people
> in dialogue, because they truly do come from a different planet. The
> discussion/argument can go on for days and days without any rapprochement
> whatsoever, because the parties start out with diametrically opposed
> assumptions, definitions, first principles. There's no ONE source of their
> information, but rather a lifetime of disinformation.  The propaganda you're
> always insisting is so effective in the United States, Carl.
> 
> Look at the lengthy discussion we recently had on this very list - over 60
> posts, if memory serves - about whether or not pressuring CNN to get rid of
> Lou Dobbs would constitute the "banning" of his freedom of speech.  We on
> this list are people who basically AGREE on first principles, yet we couldn't
> even arrive at a consensus on that.  Talking past each other, we were.
> Imagine, now, trying to discuss political issues with a person who says such
> things as "Keep the government out of my Medicare!"
> 
> As I've said before, you need to get out more, man.
> 
> John Wason
> 
> 
> 
> Ricky Baldwin wrote:
> 
> 
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYlZiWK2Iy8
> 
> Ricky Baldwin
> 
> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
> 
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