[Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for next year's D and R primaries

Thu Aug 27 12:23:07 CDT 2009

Well, I was afraid I knew the answer, but hope springs eternal.

I believe the point was the fact that she was expressing - that is, revealing - a rather intense bigotry against a certain group of people, including people she would theoretically be elected to represent.  Bigotry - by definition an obstinate prejudice, that is, an "a priori" judgement of a group or members of a group who hav done you no harm - is unbecoming of anyone, much less a "libertarian," but still the point is that she is apparently a self-avowed bigot running for democratic office.

But in a sense you are right.  About the terms, that is.  Well, mostly.  I do think one's choice of words can reflect the -er- intensity of feeling behind the expression.  But your own bigotry has been expressed here without the same epithets or what is usually thought of as obscenity.  It is obscene nonetheless.  It also leads to the most fantastic magical thinking, e.g. claims about "those
who actively condone and promote homosexual behaviour."

What the hell are you talking about?

Wayne, if you indeed are not turned on by same-sex romance, then I think everyone agrees that that is your own call.  I'd lay money that the number of people who would try to persuade you to change this fact would be virtually infinitessimal.  It's nobody's business.

But, Wayne, when people get fired from their jobs, or can't get health insurance, or can't care for loved ones who fall ill - or get dragged behind a truck and crucified on a barbed wire fence - that is NOT a personal choice.  That is public policy, and bigotry has no place there.  I would think that a "libertarian" would appreciate a basic question of equality and freedom.

Ricky

"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for next year's D and R primaries
To: "Ricky Baldwin" <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Matt Reichel" <mattreichel at hotmail.com>, peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 11:35 AM

It's not clear to me what sort of standards for etiquette and language
exist for blogs and the internet.

Certainly the FCC ban on Carlin's "7 Words" doesnt apply, and one
probably can't write for the 

Rolling Stone or Wonkette without being well-versed in punctuating ones
remarks with a 

profusion of explicit calumnious metaphoric.

What bothers me most is the hypocrisy implicit in calling the expressed
admonitions of a group

"homophobic", "wacko", and "hate-mongering".   Some of the so-called
left liberals are the most

likely to engage in intensely disparaging and often obscene remarks
about those who oppose their immorality.  Isn't

it "hate-mongering" to call someone a "hate-monger"?  Isn't it Wack to
call someone a wacko?

If I lived in Ms. Pulido's district, I would be likely to vote for her,
knowing that she

understands the dangers of homosexuality and is therefore more likely
to favour measures

that would tend to contain and extinguish homosexuality rather than
encourage it.

I would guess that those who engage in homosexual behaviour and those
who actively condone and promote homosexual behaviour

would have a similar response to any opposition to their ideas
regardless of what descriptive colloquialism is employed.

On 8/27/2009 8:55 AM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:

        Wayne,

        Are you endorsing these "fudge-packing" remarks in the
original context?

Ricky

"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn

--- On Thu, 8/27/09, Matt Reichel <mattreichel at hotmail.com>
wrote:

From: Matt Reichel <mattreichel at hotmail.com>

Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for next
year's D and R primaries

To: ewj at pigs.ag

Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net

Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 8:03 AM

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Given the short time period of the special election,
the fact that the Democrat was the presumed winner in the gerrymandered
district, and the relative unknown nature of Pulido outside of various
wacko channels, there aren't a whole lot of gold standards reporting on
her. The value of the article I linked to had nothing to do with its
investigative rigor, but rather with the fact that several quotes of
Rosanna's were carefully laid out in succession. You only need listen
to Rosanna to understand that she is an imbecile.

From what I am reading here, perhaps the Campaign for Liberty ought be
renamed the "Campaign for Liberty for Heterosexual White Men." 

Truly Scary Stuff.

Best,

Matt

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:24:09 -0500

From: ewj at pigs.ag

To: mattreichel at hotmail.com

CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net

Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for next
year's D and R primaries

Matt,

Wonkette is certainly the gold standard of truth and carefully
considered journalism.

I am really with you on this one.  I am so disappointed that Rosanna
"apologized".  I don't much go for flip-floppers.

Thanks for pointing this out.  I will ask her what point of weakness
led her to apologize

when I see her in Du Quoin.  Hope you will be able to make it to come
speak to us in Du Quoin

and maybe you can see how she answers my question.

Wayne

On 8/26/2009 2:57 PM, Matt Reichel wrote:

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I merely wanted to correct your misconception about
Rosanna. She couldn't be more separated from the liberty movement,
which is precisely why David threw his hat into the primary.

More on Rosanna: http://wonkette.com/407392/anonymous-racist-freeper-is-actually-republican-candidate-to-replace-rahm

She was unveiled during the last election as the "Chicagolady" on the
Free Republic website, where, among other things, she scribed "I would
rather live in a meat-packing town than a fudge-packing town.
Fudge-packing should be outlawed."

This and other homophobic remarks were uncovered prior to her, Quigley
and I being invited to speak at a gay rights forum organized by Gay
Chicago magazine. She "apologized" for her remarks and went on into a
tirade about how the Mexican government is intentionally exporting
poverty to the United States and how people need to rise to the defense
of our homeland from these illegal immigrants.

If this is the kind of politician that you support as part of the
liberty movement, I would be compelled to seriously question your
credentials as a "peace activist."

Cheers,

Matt

> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:34:24 -0500

> From: ewj at pigs.ag

> To: mattreichel at hotmail.com

> CC: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com;
            peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net

> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for
next year's D and R primaries

> 

> Fascist in what sense?

> 

> I dont live in her district but I'll ask Rosanna about you and Mr.

> Ratowitz.

> 

> You are surely a pleasant enough fellow, helping us identify 

> hate-mongers like you do.

> 

> 

> On 8/26/2009 2:07 PM, Matt Reichel wrote:

> > Rosanna Pulido is not a Ron Paulista; she is a fascist,
racist 

> > hate-monger who heads the Illinois Minuteman.

> > I am not sure where you have her identified as belonging to
the Ron 

> > Paul movement. She did show up at the July 4th Tea Party, but

> > demonstrated no idea as to what it was about.

> > She is being opposed in the Republican Primary by David
Ratowitz, who 

> > is a genuine Ron Paulista, and a far superior candidate.

> >

> > Either one will lose to me in the general election.

> >

> > Best,

> > Matt Reichel

> > www.mattreichel.us

> >

> >
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> > Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:22:03 -0500

> > From: ewj at pigs.ag

> > To: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com

> > Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun
for next 

> > year's D and R primaries

> > CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net

> >

> > There are some that I know of, I dont have a compleat list.

> >

> > Adam Kokesh (IVAW) - New Mexico

> > Rosanna Pulido - Illinois

> > RJ Harris - Oklahoma

> > Delia Lopez - Oregon

> >

> > Very Many in Missouri, including

> > Jacob Turk - Missouri

> >

> > Tim Nerenz - Wisconsin

> >

> > Peter Schiff - Connecticut

> > Rand Paul - Kentucky

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > On 8/26/2009 12:07 PM, Robert Naiman wrote:

> >

> > My memory was that when Ron Paul folded his Presidential
campaign,

> > there was a call for Paulistas to run for Congress as
Republicans.

> > What happened with that?

> >

> > On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Robert Naiman<naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
            <mailto:naiman.uiuc at gmail.com>
wrote:

> > 

> >

> > Anyone who might be interested in running for office in a
Democratic

> > or Republican primary in Illinois next spring should be aware
that the

> > legal period for passing nominating petitions has begun. I
understand

> > the filing deadline is near the end of October - it's earlier
than it

> > used to be, b/c they moved up the Illinois primary for Obama.

> >

> > Mary Lee Sargent once said, "Everyone should run for office,
at least

> > once." If you are a U.S. citizen, not currently in trouble
with the

> > law, you should give it some thought.

> >

> > 

> >

> >

> > 

> >

> >

> >

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