[Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for next year's
D and R primaries
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigs.ag
Fri Aug 28 11:23:26 CDT 2009
No sir I don't feel any personal temptation in that area.
One of my health programs provides this information and counsel:
Now the doings (practices) of the flesh are clear (obvious): they are
immorality, impurity, indecency, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife,
jealousy, anger (ill temper), selfishness, divisions (dissensions),
party spirit (factions, sects with peculiar opinions, heresies), envy,
drunkenness, carousing, and the like. - Galatians 5.19-21
On 8/28/2009 11:09 AM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
> "I would suggest that homosexuality is a form of expression of
> uncontrolled lust."
> Are you saying, Wayne, that if you didn't control yourself ... ???
> This could be at the root of your animosity. Does your health
> insurance cover counseling?
>
> Ricky
>
> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/27/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for
> next year's D and R primaries
> To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 5:52 PM
>
> Far be it from me to suggest that people should be lacking in
> compassion.
> We certainly need more compassion not less.
>
> I would suggest that homosexuality is a form of expression of
> uncontrolled lust.
>
> I would liken it to the same sort of lust that drives imperialism,
> warmongering, crony capitalism,
> corporate malfeasance, greed, and other social ills. There really
> isn't any indication of any sort
> of genetic tendency to homosexuality, although many people do
> think or want to think that there is.
> I have been told that he is a Lutheran who is one genetically but
> I am not convinced. The fact
> that I am not a Lutheran and there are no known Lutherans among my
> ancestors does not
> prove or disprove the notion. I don't see any evidence of
> homosexuals being a definable minority
> with Obligatory membership, any more than one has a genetically
> based predestination to be
> a tyrant, scam artist, serial rapist, Ponzi schemer, or scorcher
> of humanity.
>
> One can't say that the expression of uncontrolled lusts in the
> society is harmful only to the participants.
> In paedophilia the age of the young participant or exploited one
> becomes the issue, but it's a very thin line.
> Three months, three weeks, three days later the legal outcome is
> different but the role of the participants is
> virtually unchanged. The harm to the participants in
> homosexuality is manifested in the changes that
> they receive in their bodies and their typically shortened
> lifespan and chronic disease states. The liars
> are not looking at the figures. They spread the diseases to
> others and through the society since the majority
> of those who participate in homosexual activity have heterosexual
> partners as well. Their activities become
> a burden for all of us to bear.
>
> Those who participate in homosexuality do so by their own choice
> and they recruit their partners
> from the population by convincing others to make similar choices.
> As they pass their ideas through
> the population seeking sympathy and acceptance the chances for
> successful recruitments are enhanced.
>
> Although the so-called LGBT community is not a definable minority,
> it is a granfalloon that oft has organization
> and a definite agenda, and indeed an agenda that is harmful.
> Compassion yes. Acceptance no.
>
>
> On 8/27/2009 12:48 PM, Stuart Levy wrote:
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:06:51PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>
>>> Amongst those for whom identity politics have replaced class politics --
>>> i.e., diversity (politics as etiquette) is all the more tenaciously insisted
>>> upon as a substitute for economic equality as a real political goal --
>>> voicing such opinions about homosexuality becomes a "hate crime," the worst
>>> delict in the liberal decalogue.
>>>
>> Carl,
>>
>> This woman is (was?) openly calling for either homosexuality,
>> or homosexual sex, to be made *illegal*. This isn't a question of
>> niceties of arguments over "identity politics", this is calling
>> for outright repression of a minority group under color of law,
>> under some legislature's definition of that group. It should make
>> any self-respecting libertarian's blood boil. And this is the
>> strongest you have to say about it?
>>
>> Wayne,
>>
>> Please say it ain't so. Inviting Rosanna to retract her retraction
>> sounds as if you are asking her to repent of compassion. Isn't that
>> what it amounts to? Ugh.
>>
>>
>>> American society today seems to have a Victorian prudishness about the actual
>>> consideration of sexual morality, which is quite different from relegating
>>> the matter to the rather minor importance it deserves.
>>>
>> I agree with that. In a just society this would be a non-issue. But
>> it is not, since there is a long history in our society and others
>> of recognizing homosexuals as a distinct group, persecuting them,
>> and giving them reduced rights and protection under the law.
>> Seeking to change that status is a political process.
>>
>> And complaining, as you seem to be, that there should be no need for
>> such a political process -- as if "identity politics" were nothing but a
>> distraction -- simply acts to entrench the existing persecution.
>>
>> It doesn't make the group labels irrelevant as one might hope,
>> since they're already out there -- not only in the minds of people,
>> but also in habits of communication, as Bob Naiman's example
>> of a few months ago showed beautifully. (A verbal job offer in a
>> Protestant Northern Ireland factory gets spread by word of mouth
>> mostly to other Protestants, not uniformly across the local population,
>> even with no ill will on anyone's part. Social networks aren't random graphs.)
>>
>>
>> And, of *course*, opposing persecution of less-privileged groups
>> should not mean that pursuing economic equality isn't also on the table.
>> (How many negatives in that?)
>>
>> Stuart
>>
>>
>>> But as a political matter we attribute far too much importance to it,
>>> ignoring
>>> e.g. the wisdom of Gore Vidal from long ago,
>>>
>>> "Actually, there is no such thing as a homosexual person, any more than
>>> there is
>>> such a thing as a heterosexual person. The words are adjectives describing
>>> sexual acts, not people ... The reason no one has yet been able to come up
>>> with
>>> a good word to describe the homosexualist (sometimes known as gay, fag,
>>> queer,
>>> etc.) is because he does not exist. The human race is divided into male and
>>> female. Many human beings enjoy sexual relations with their own sex, many
>>> don't;
>>> many respond to both. This plurality is the fact of our nature and not
>>> worth
>>> fretting about." --"Sex Is Politics" (1979)
>>>
>>>
>>> E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not clear to me what sort of standards for etiquette and language
>>>> exist
>>>> for blogs and the internet.
>>>> Certainly the FCC ban on Carlin's "7 Words" doesnt apply, and one probably
>>>> can't write for the Rolling Stone or Wonkette without being well-versed in
>>>> punctuating ones remarks with a profusion of explicit calumnious
>>>> metaphoric.
>>>> What bothers me most is the hypocrisy implicit in calling the expressed
>>>> admonitions of a group "homophobic", "wacko", and "hate-mongering". Some
>>>> of
>>>> the so-called left liberals are the most likely to engage in intensely
>>>> disparaging and often obscene remarks about those who oppose their
>>>> immorality. Isn't it "hate-mongering" to call someone a "hate-monger"?
>>>> Isn't it Wack to call someone a wacko?
>>>> If I lived in Ms. Pulido's district, I would be likely to vote for her,
>>>> knowing that she understands the dangers of homosexuality and is therefore
>>>> more likely to favour measures that would tend to contain and extinguish
>>>> homosexuality rather than encourage it.
>>>> I would guess that those who engage in homosexual behaviour and those who
>>>> actively condone and promote homosexual behaviour would have a similar
>>>> response to any opposition to their ideas regardless of what descriptive
>>>> colloquialism is employed.
>>>> On 8/27/2009 8:55 AM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Wayne,
>>>>> Are you endorsing these "fudge-packing" remarks in the original context?
>>>>> Ricky
>>>>> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>>>>> --- On *Thu, 8/27/09, Matt Reichel /<mattreichel at hotmail.com>/* wrote:
>>>>> From: Matt Reichel<mattreichel at hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss]
>>>>> Re: petition period has begun for next year's D and R primaries To:
>>>>> ewj at pigs.ag Cc:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Date: Thursday, August
>>>>> 27,
>>>>> 2009, 8:03 AM
>>>>> Given the short time period of the special election, the fact that the
>>>>> Democrat was the presumed winner in the gerrymandered district, and the
>>>>> relative unknown nature of Pulido outside of various wacko channels,
>>>>> there
>>>>> aren't a whole lot of gold standards reporting on her. The value of the
>>>>> article I linked to had nothing to do with its investigative rigor, but
>>>>> rather with the fact that several quotes of Rosanna's were carefully laid
>>>>> out in succession. You only need listen to Rosanna to understand that she
>>>>> is an imbecile.
>>>>>
>>>>>> From what I am reading here, perhaps the Campaign for Liberty
>>>>>>
>>>>> ought be renamed the "Campaign for Liberty for Heterosexual White Men."
>>>>> Truly Scary Stuff.
>>>>> Best, Matt
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:24:09 -0500 From:ewj at pigs.ag To:
>>>>> mattreichel at hotmail.com CC:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re:
>>>>> [Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for next year's D and R
>>>>> primaries
>>>>> Matt,
>>>>> Wonkette is certainly the gold standard of truth and carefully considered
>>>>> journalism.
>>>>> I am really with you on this one. I am so disappointed that Rosanna
>>>>> "apologized". I don't much go for flip-floppers. Thanks for pointing
>>>>> this
>>>>> out. I will ask her what point of weakness led her to apologize when I
>>>>> see
>>>>> her in Du Quoin. Hope you will be able to make it to come speak to us in
>>>>> Du Quoin and maybe you can see how she answers my question.
>>>>> Wayne
>>>>> On 8/26/2009 2:57 PM, Matt Reichel wrote:
>>>>> I merely wanted to correct your misconception about Rosanna. She couldn't
>>>>> be more separated from the liberty movement, which is precisely why David
>>>>> threw his hat into the primary.
>>>>> More on Rosanna:
>>>>> http://wonkette.com/407392/anonymous-racist-freeper-is-actually-republican-candidate-to-replace-rahm
>>>>> She was unveiled during the last election as the "Chicagolady" on the
>>>>> Free
>>>>> Republic website, where, among other things, she scribed "I would rather
>>>>> live in a meat-packing town than a fudge-packing town. Fudge-packing
>>>>> should
>>>>> be outlawed."
>>>>> This and other homophobic remarks were uncovered prior to her, Quigley
>>>>> and
>>>>> I being invited to speak at a gay rights forum organized by Gay Chicago
>>>>> magazine. She "apologized" for her remarks and went on into a tirade
>>>>> about
>>>>> how the Mexican government is intentionally exporting poverty to the
>>>>> United
>>>>> States and how people need to rise to the defense of our homeland from
>>>>> these illegal immigrants.
>>>>> If this is the kind of politician that you support as part of the liberty
>>>>> movement, I would be compelled to seriously question your credentials as
>>>>> a
>>>>> "peace activist."
>>>>> Cheers, Matt
>>>>>
>>>>>> Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 14:34:24 -0500 From:ewj at pigs.ag
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://us.mc306.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ewj@pigs.ag>
>>>>>
>>>>>> To:mattreichel at hotmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://us.mc306.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mattreichel@hotmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> CC:naiman.uiuc at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>> <http://us.mc306.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=naiman.uiuc@gmail.com>;
>>>>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>>> <http://us.mc306.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun
>>>>>>
>>>>> for next year's D and R primaries
>>>>>
>>>>>> Fascist in what sense?
>>>>>> I dont live in her district but I'll ask Rosanna about you
>>>>>>
>>>>> and Mr. Ratowitz.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You are surely a pleasant enough fellow, helping us identify
>>>>>> hate-mongers
>>>>>> like you do.
>>>>>> On 8/26/2009 2:07 PM, Matt Reichel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rosanna Pulido is not a Ron Paulista; she is a fascist, racist
>>>>>>> hate-monger who heads the Illinois Minuteman. I am not sure where you
>>>>>>> have her identified as belonging to the Ron
>>>>>>> Paul movement. She did show up at the July 4th Tea Party, but
>>>>>>> demonstrated no idea as to what it was about. She is being opposed in
>>>>>>> the Republican Primary by David Ratowitz, who
>>>>>>> is a genuine Ron Paulista, and a far superior candidate.
>>>>>>> Either one will lose to me in the general election.
>>>>>>> Best, Matt Reichelwww.mattreichel.us <http://www.mattreichel.us/>
>>>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>> http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Peace-discuss mailing list
>> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>> http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/peace-discuss
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -----Inline Attachment Follows-----
>
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> <http://us.mc306.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>
> http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/peace-discuss
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Peace-discuss mailing list
> Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
> http://lists.chambana.net/cgi-bin/listinfo/peace-discuss
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: http://lists.chambana.net/mailman/archive/peace-discuss/attachments/20090828/6424c439/attachment.htm
More information about the Peace-discuss
mailing list