[Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for next year's D
and R primaries
Ricky Baldwin
baldwinricky at yahoo.com
Fri Aug 28 13:45:32 CDT 2009
I particularly like the self-referent: "...sects with peculiar opinions..."
Ricky
"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
--- On Fri, 8/28/09, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for next year's D and R primaries
To: "Ricky Baldwin" <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Date: Friday, August 28, 2009, 11:23 AM
No sir I don't feel any personal temptation in that area.
One of my health programs provides this information and counsel:
Now the doings (practices) of the flesh are clear (obvious): they are immorality, impurity, indecency, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger (ill temper), selfishness, divisions (dissensions), party spirit (factions, sects with peculiar opinions, heresies), envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. - Galatians 5.19-21
On 8/28/2009 11:09 AM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
"I would suggest that homosexuality is a form of expression of uncontrolled lust."
Are you saying, Wayne, that if you didn't control yourself ... ???
This could be at the root of your animosity. Does your health insurance cover counseling?
Ricky
"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
--- On Thu, 8/27/09, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:
From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for next year's D and R primaries
To: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
Date: Thursday, August 27, 2009, 5:52 PM
Far be it from me to suggest that people should be lacking in compassion.
We certainly need more compassion not less.
I would suggest that homosexuality is a form of expression of uncontrolled lust.
I would liken it to the same sort of lust that drives imperialism, warmongering, crony capitalism,
corporate malfeasance, greed, and other social ills. There really isn't any indication of any sort
of genetic tendency to homosexuality, although many people do think or want to think that there is.
I have been told that he is a Lutheran who is one genetically but I am not convinced. The fact
that I am not a Lutheran and there are no known Lutherans among my ancestors does not
prove or disprove the notion. I don't see any evidence of homosexuals being a definable minority
with Obligatory membership, any more than one has a genetically based predestination to be
a tyrant, scam artist, serial rapist, Ponzi schemer, or scorcher of humanity.
One can't say that the expression of uncontrolled lusts in the society is harmful only to the participants.
In paedophilia the age of the young participant or exploited one becomes the issue, but it's a very thin line.
Three months, three weeks, three days later the legal outcome is different but the role of the participants is
virtually unchanged. The harm to the participants in homosexuality is manifested in the changes that
they receive in their bodies and their typically shortened lifespan and chronic disease states. The liars
are not looking at the figures. They spread the diseases to others and through the society since the majority
of those who participate in homosexual activity have heterosexual partners as well. Their activities become
a burden for all of us to bear.
Those who participate in homosexuality do so by their own choice and they recruit their partners
from the population by convincing others to make similar choices. As they pass their ideas through
the population seeking sympathy and acceptance the chances for successful recruitments are enhanced.
Although the so-called LGBT community is not a definable minority, it is a granfalloon that oft has organization
and a definite agenda, and indeed an agenda that is harmful. Compassion yes. Acceptance no.
On 8/27/2009 12:48 PM, Stuart Levy wrote:
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:06:51PM -0500, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
Amongst those for whom identity politics have replaced class politics --
i.e., diversity (politics as etiquette) is all the more tenaciously insisted
upon as a substitute for economic equality as a real political goal --
voicing such opinions about homosexuality becomes a "hate crime," the worst
delict in the liberal decalogue.
Carl,
This woman is (was?) openly calling for either homosexuality,
or homosexual sex, to be made *illegal*. This isn't a question of
niceties of arguments over "identity politics", this is calling
for outright repression of a minority group under color of law,
under some legislature's definition of that group. It should make
any self-respecting libertarian's blood boil. And this is the
strongest you have to say about it?
Wayne,
Please say it ain't so. Inviting Rosanna to retract her retraction
sounds as if you are asking her to repent of compassion. Isn't that
what it amounts to? Ugh.
American society today seems to have a Victorian prudishness about the actual
consideration of sexual morality, which is quite different from relegating
the matter to the rather minor importance it deserves.
I agree with that. In a just society this would be a non-issue. But
it is not, since there is a long history in our society and others
of recognizing homosexuals as a distinct group, persecuting them,
and giving them reduced rights and protection under the law.
Seeking to change that status is a political process.
And complaining, as you seem to be, that there should be no need for
such a political process -- as if "identity politics" were nothing but a
distraction -- simply acts to entrench the existing persecution.
It doesn't make the group labels irrelevant as one might hope,
since they're already out there -- not only in the minds of people,
but also in habits of communication, as Bob Naiman's example
of a few months ago showed beautifully. (A verbal job offer in a
Protestant Northern Ireland factory gets spread by word of mouth
mostly to other Protestants, not uniformly across the local population,
even with no ill will on anyone's part. Social networks aren't random graphs.)
And, of *course*, opposing persecution of less-privileged groups
should not mean that pursuing economic equality isn't also on the table.
(How many negatives in that?)
Stuart
But as a political matter we attribute far too much importance to it,
ignoring
e.g. the wisdom of Gore Vidal from long ago,
"Actually, there is no such thing as a homosexual person, any more than
there is
such a thing as a heterosexual person. The words are adjectives describing
sexual acts, not people ... The reason no one has yet been able to come up
with
a good word to describe the homosexualist (sometimes known as gay, fag,
queer,
etc.) is because he does not exist. The human race is divided into male and
female. Many human beings enjoy sexual relations with their own sex, many
don't;
many respond to both. This plurality is the fact of our nature and not
worth
fretting about." --"Sex Is Politics" (1979)
E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
It's not clear to me what sort of standards for etiquette and language
exist
for blogs and the internet.
Certainly the FCC ban on Carlin's "7 Words" doesnt apply, and one probably
can't write for the Rolling Stone or Wonkette without being well-versed in
punctuating ones remarks with a profusion of explicit calumnious
metaphoric.
What bothers me most is the hypocrisy implicit in calling the expressed
admonitions of a group "homophobic", "wacko", and "hate-mongering". Some
of
the so-called left liberals are the most likely to engage in intensely
disparaging and often obscene remarks about those who oppose their
immorality. Isn't it "hate-mongering" to call someone a "hate-monger"?
Isn't it Wack to call someone a wacko?
If I lived in Ms. Pulido's district, I would be likely to vote for her,
knowing that she understands the dangers of homosexuality and is therefore
more likely to favour measures that would tend to contain and extinguish
homosexuality rather than encourage it.
I would guess that those who engage in homosexual behaviour and those who
actively condone and promote homosexual behaviour would have a similar
response to any opposition to their ideas regardless of what descriptive
colloquialism is employed.
On 8/27/2009 8:55 AM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
Wayne,
Are you endorsing these "fudge-packing" remarks in the original context?
Ricky
"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
--- On *Thu, 8/27/09, Matt Reichel /<mattreichel at hotmail.com>/* wrote:
From: Matt Reichel <mattreichel at hotmail.com> Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss]
Re: petition period has begun for next year's D and R primaries To:
ewj at pigs.ag Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Date: Thursday, August
27,
2009, 8:03 AM
Given the short time period of the special election, the fact that the
Democrat was the presumed winner in the gerrymandered district, and the
relative unknown nature of Pulido outside of various wacko channels,
there
aren't a whole lot of gold standards reporting on her. The value of the
article I linked to had nothing to do with its investigative rigor, but
rather with the fact that several quotes of Rosanna's were carefully laid
out in succession. You only need listen to Rosanna to understand that she
is an imbecile.
>From what I am reading here, perhaps the Campaign for Liberty
ought be renamed the "Campaign for Liberty for Heterosexual White Men."
Truly Scary Stuff.
Best, Matt
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 15:24:09 -0500 From: ewj at pigs.ag To:
mattreichel at hotmail.com CC: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] Re: petition period has begun for next year's D and R
primaries
Matt,
Wonkette is certainly the gold standard of truth and carefully considered
journalism.
I am really with you on this one. I am so disappointed that Rosanna
"apologized". I don't much go for flip-floppers. Thanks for pointing
this
out. I will ask her what point of weakness led her to apologize when I
see
her in Du Quoin. Hope you will be able to make it to come speak to us in
Du Quoin and maybe you can see how she answers my question.
Wayne
On 8/26/2009 2:57 PM, Matt Reichel wrote:
I merely wanted to correct your misconception about Rosanna. She couldn't
be more separated from the liberty movement, which is precisely why David
threw his hat into the primary.
More on Rosanna:
http://wonkette.com/407392/anonymous-racist-freeper-is-actually-republican-candidate-to-replace-rahm
She was unveiled during the last election as the "Chicagolady" on the
Free
Republic website, where, among other things, she scribed "I would rather
live in a meat-packing town than a fudge-packing town. Fudge-packing
should
be outlawed."
This and other homophobic remarks were uncovered prior to her, Quigley
and
I being invited to speak at a gay rights forum organized by Gay Chicago
magazine. She "apologized" for her remarks and went on into a tirade
about
how the Mexican government is intentionally exporting poverty to the
United
States and how people need to rise to the defense of our homeland from
these illegal immigrants.
If this is the kind of politician that you support as part of the liberty
movement, I would be compelled to seriously question your credentials as
a
"peace activist."
Cheers, Matt
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for next year's D and R primaries
Fascist in what sense?
I dont live in her district but I'll ask Rosanna about you
and Mr. Ratowitz.
You are surely a pleasant enough fellow, helping us identify
hate-mongers
like you do.
On 8/26/2009 2:07 PM, Matt Reichel wrote:
Rosanna Pulido is not a Ron Paulista; she is a fascist, racist
hate-monger who heads the Illinois Minuteman. I am not sure where you
have her identified as belonging to the Ron
Paul movement. She did show up at the July 4th Tea Party, but
demonstrated no idea as to what it was about. She is being opposed in
the Republican Primary by David Ratowitz, who
is a genuine Ron Paulista, and a far superior candidate.
Either one will lose to me in the general election.
Best, Matt Reichel www.mattreichel.us <http://www.mattreichel.us/>
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