[Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigs.ag
Mon Dec 7 12:15:17 CST 2009


I dont suppose I have used the expression "welfare queen" but you 
undoubtably have touched on the pro-abortion argument that its is 
cheaper for the gov't to fund abortions than to support the children.

The CDC reports data from 2006:

Black women make up about 12.3% of the population but account for 35% of 
all abortions.  Hispanics make up 22% of all abortions but only 12.5% of 
the female population.  Non-hispanic white women make up 62.6% of the 
population but only 34% of the abortions.

The abortion ratio in the USA was 236 abortions per 1,000 live births 
but among blacks the abortion ratio was 459 per 1000 live births.

On 12/7/2009 10:47 AM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Gee Wayne, all the folks I know who've ended pregnancies are middle- 
> or upper-middle class... and then there are all those folks on 
> welfare who have 8+ kids... Lessee, what do you call them?? Oh yeah, 
> Welfare Queens.
>  --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Sun, 12/6/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
>     To: "Ricky Baldwin" <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
>     Cc: "AWARE peace discussion" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>,
>     "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>     Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 3:59 PM
>
>     I didnt mean you personally but noted late, too late, it could be
>     most easily taken that way.
>
>     I just wanted to point out the elitist overtones.
>
>     I would contend that were it not for the outright murder of ~50
>     million American citizens via abortion, there would be no
>     dysfunction of population equilibrium that is the real force
>     driving the wave of net immigration...
>
>     _*Abortion would not be legal if not for its eugenic effect. *_
>
>     (Of course I am strongly opposed to abortion, be it early, late,
>     preemptive, or retroactive.)
>
>     When people tell me what they think about abortion they just tell
>     me what they think about murder.
>
>     Why kill the child before birth?  What not wait some time after
>     birth and decide whether you like the baby or not?
>     Doesnt that make more sense then getting rid of the kid before ya
>     know if its any good or not?
>
>     You could take the child back to the hospital for "recycling".  I
>     understand that there is a high demand for
>     not-quite-fully-differentiated cells for the "spare parts" and
>     "good used parts" market.
>
>     Of course I write foolishness here, but really, what is the
>     difference?
>
>
>
>     On 12/6/2009 3:28 PM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>>     No such thing, Wayne.  This event is being organized by a student
>>     group, hence the focus.  La Colectiva Latina actually works on
>>     immigration issues generally, and does some excellent work among
>>     the very population you mention here locally - at Shadowwood, etc
>>
>>     If you mean me, I've actually done solidarity work with
>>     farmworkers standing up for their rights, in ways that they
>>     chose, for quite a few years.  If you want to make this about me,
>>     I'm surprised you hadn't noticed the postings on those issues.  I
>>     happen to think that the right approach to immigration "problems"
>>     is to guarantee the same rights, at work and so on, to everybody
>>     - then there's no incentive for unscrupulous employers to hire
>>     coyotes to scam desperate victims of our imperialist policies
>>     into slavery and near-slavery here - and to stop supporting
>>     repressive regimes abroad that create waves of immigration, etc.
>>
>>     To clarify, abortion ought to be freely available for anyone who
>>     wants it - regardless of anyone's paranoia about that.  But I'm
>>     only in favor of euthanasia for so-called "Libertarians" who are
>>     opposed to other people's rights ;-)
>>
>>     By the way, thanks, Stuart.  That's what I hear, too.  Wayne is
>>     engaging in groundless speculation again, I believe.  I won't
>>     speculate about the basis of his speculation.
>>
>>     Ricky
>>
>>     "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>>
>>     --- On *Sun, 12/6/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>         From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
>>         Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
>>         To: "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>>         Cc: "AWARE peace discussion" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>         Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 2:53 PM
>>
>>         Why special favours for those fortunate ones who attend
>>         universities and not for those who pick fruit, sort and pack
>>         vegetables, work in in meatpacking establishments, and clean
>>         our homes and buildings?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         On 12/6/2009 2:27 PM, Stuart Levy wrote:
>>>         On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 12:40:26PM -0600, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>>>            
>>>>         Ricky,
>>>>
>>>>         You really are all about Eugenics, aren't you?
>>>>
>>>>         Abortion for the human weeds.
>>>>
>>>>         Import the best and brightest.
>>>>
>>>>         What do you propose for the "Culls"?  Detention?  Euthanasia?
>>>>
>>>>         Wayne
>>>>              
>>>         Wayne,
>>>
>>>         What on earth?  This event is to promote a humane US immigration policy.
>>>
>>>         Plyler v. Doe for example says that states have to offer public education
>>>         to everybody, without screening by immigrant status.
>>>
>>>         I do hear eugenics-like language being used in the debate at times,
>>>         but coming from people opposed to such a policy.  They talk about
>>>         impure stock coming across the borders, and not wanting them to mix with
>>>         the good american stock.  Things like that.  Much as many people did in the
>>>         late 19th/early 20th century when the impure stock were coming from
>>>         southern and eastern europe, like my father's parents.
>>>
>>>         I don't hear that kind of thing coming from people supporting things
>>>         like the DREAM act, do you?
>>>
>>>            
>>>>         On 12/5/2009 12:43 PM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>>>>              
>>>>>         From: Celeste Larkin<celeste.larkin at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>              Subject: [PeoplesPotluck] Immigration Reform Rally!
>>>>>              To:peoplespotluck at lists.chambana.net
>>>>>              Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:37 PM
>>>>>
>>>>>              Wednesday, December 9th at 6:30 PM, in the Foellinger Auditorium,
>>>>>              the IDream Coalition will be hosting the *D.R.E.A.M.
>>>>>              Act/Immigration Reform Rally*!  At the rally, we will be calling
>>>>>              upon our legislators, community and university to support
>>>>>              Immigration Reform that helps undocumented students gain
>>>>>              citizenship through higher education.
>>>>>
>>>>>              *_So what's the
>>>>>           rally all about?_ *
>>>>>              -Come to *learn* about past and present immigration legislation
>>>>>              such as:
>>>>>
>>>>>                  * Plyer v. Doe
>>>>>                  * Gutierrez/Immigration Bill
>>>>>                  * HB 60
>>>>>                  * DREAM Act
>>>>>
>>>>>              Inform yourself about our country's immigration laws!
>>>>>
>>>>>              -Come to see different U of I student organizations speaking about
>>>>>              how the immigration debate relates to them and *why we should
>>>>>              */*ALL*/* care!*
>>>>>
>>>>>              -Come to witness testimonials from undocumented students who have
>>>>>              *shared their struggle* and personal immigration stories.
>>>>>
>>>>>              -Come to find out how you can *get involved* in future movements
>>>>>              for human rights and immigration reform.
>>>>>
>>>>>              So come, learn, witness, and show your support for those thousands
>>>>>              of undocumented students--because a few minutes of your time could
>>>>>              change someone's life forever!
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