[Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigs.ag
Mon Dec 7 12:15:17 CST 2009
I dont suppose I have used the expression "welfare queen" but you
undoubtably have touched on the pro-abortion argument that its is
cheaper for the gov't to fund abortions than to support the children.
The CDC reports data from 2006:
Black women make up about 12.3% of the population but account for 35% of
all abortions. Hispanics make up 22% of all abortions but only 12.5% of
the female population. Non-hispanic white women make up 62.6% of the
population but only 34% of the abortions.
The abortion ratio in the USA was 236 abortions per 1,000 live births
but among blacks the abortion ratio was 459 per 1000 live births.
On 12/7/2009 10:47 AM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Gee Wayne, all the folks I know who've ended pregnancies are middle-
> or upper-middle class... and then there are all those folks on
> welfare who have 8+ kids... Lessee, what do you call them?? Oh yeah,
> Welfare Queens.
> --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Sun, 12/6/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
> To: "Ricky Baldwin" <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "AWARE peace discussion" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>,
> "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 3:59 PM
>
> I didnt mean you personally but noted late, too late, it could be
> most easily taken that way.
>
> I just wanted to point out the elitist overtones.
>
> I would contend that were it not for the outright murder of ~50
> million American citizens via abortion, there would be no
> dysfunction of population equilibrium that is the real force
> driving the wave of net immigration...
>
> _*Abortion would not be legal if not for its eugenic effect. *_
>
> (Of course I am strongly opposed to abortion, be it early, late,
> preemptive, or retroactive.)
>
> When people tell me what they think about abortion they just tell
> me what they think about murder.
>
> Why kill the child before birth? What not wait some time after
> birth and decide whether you like the baby or not?
> Doesnt that make more sense then getting rid of the kid before ya
> know if its any good or not?
>
> You could take the child back to the hospital for "recycling". I
> understand that there is a high demand for
> not-quite-fully-differentiated cells for the "spare parts" and
> "good used parts" market.
>
> Of course I write foolishness here, but really, what is the
> difference?
>
>
>
> On 12/6/2009 3:28 PM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>> No such thing, Wayne. This event is being organized by a student
>> group, hence the focus. La Colectiva Latina actually works on
>> immigration issues generally, and does some excellent work among
>> the very population you mention here locally - at Shadowwood, etc
>>
>> If you mean me, I've actually done solidarity work with
>> farmworkers standing up for their rights, in ways that they
>> chose, for quite a few years. If you want to make this about me,
>> I'm surprised you hadn't noticed the postings on those issues. I
>> happen to think that the right approach to immigration "problems"
>> is to guarantee the same rights, at work and so on, to everybody
>> - then there's no incentive for unscrupulous employers to hire
>> coyotes to scam desperate victims of our imperialist policies
>> into slavery and near-slavery here - and to stop supporting
>> repressive regimes abroad that create waves of immigration, etc.
>>
>> To clarify, abortion ought to be freely available for anyone who
>> wants it - regardless of anyone's paranoia about that. But I'm
>> only in favor of euthanasia for so-called "Libertarians" who are
>> opposed to other people's rights ;-)
>>
>> By the way, thanks, Stuart. That's what I hear, too. Wayne is
>> engaging in groundless speculation again, I believe. I won't
>> speculate about the basis of his speculation.
>>
>> Ricky
>>
>> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>>
>> --- On *Sun, 12/6/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
>> Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: Immigration Reform Rally!
>> To: "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>
>> Cc: "AWARE peace discussion" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 2:53 PM
>>
>> Why special favours for those fortunate ones who attend
>> universities and not for those who pick fruit, sort and pack
>> vegetables, work in in meatpacking establishments, and clean
>> our homes and buildings?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12/6/2009 2:27 PM, Stuart Levy wrote:
>>> On Sun, Dec 06, 2009 at 12:40:26PM -0600, E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ricky,
>>>>
>>>> You really are all about Eugenics, aren't you?
>>>>
>>>> Abortion for the human weeds.
>>>>
>>>> Import the best and brightest.
>>>>
>>>> What do you propose for the "Culls"? Detention? Euthanasia?
>>>>
>>>> Wayne
>>>>
>>> Wayne,
>>>
>>> What on earth? This event is to promote a humane US immigration policy.
>>>
>>> Plyler v. Doe for example says that states have to offer public education
>>> to everybody, without screening by immigrant status.
>>>
>>> I do hear eugenics-like language being used in the debate at times,
>>> but coming from people opposed to such a policy. They talk about
>>> impure stock coming across the borders, and not wanting them to mix with
>>> the good american stock. Things like that. Much as many people did in the
>>> late 19th/early 20th century when the impure stock were coming from
>>> southern and eastern europe, like my father's parents.
>>>
>>> I don't hear that kind of thing coming from people supporting things
>>> like the DREAM act, do you?
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 12/5/2009 12:43 PM, Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> From: Celeste Larkin<celeste.larkin at gmail.com>
>>>>>
>>>>> Subject: [PeoplesPotluck] Immigration Reform Rally!
>>>>> To:peoplespotluck at lists.chambana.net
>>>>> Date: Friday, December 4, 2009, 9:37 PM
>>>>>
>>>>> Wednesday, December 9th at 6:30 PM, in the Foellinger Auditorium,
>>>>> the IDream Coalition will be hosting the *D.R.E.A.M.
>>>>> Act/Immigration Reform Rally*! At the rally, we will be calling
>>>>> upon our legislators, community and university to support
>>>>> Immigration Reform that helps undocumented students gain
>>>>> citizenship through higher education.
>>>>>
>>>>> *_So what's the
>>>>> rally all about?_ *
>>>>> -Come to *learn* about past and present immigration legislation
>>>>> such as:
>>>>>
>>>>> * Plyer v. Doe
>>>>> * Gutierrez/Immigration Bill
>>>>> * HB 60
>>>>> * DREAM Act
>>>>>
>>>>> Inform yourself about our country's immigration laws!
>>>>>
>>>>> -Come to see different U of I student organizations speaking about
>>>>> how the immigration debate relates to them and *why we should
>>>>> */*ALL*/* care!*
>>>>>
>>>>> -Come to witness testimonials from undocumented students who have
>>>>> *shared their struggle* and personal immigration stories.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Come to find out how you can *get involved* in future movements
>>>>> for human rights and immigration reform.
>>>>>
>>>>> So come, learn, witness, and show your support for those thousands
>>>>> of undocumented students--because a few minutes of your time could
>>>>> change someone's life forever!
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