[Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson congratulated us on being consistent

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigs.ag
Thu Dec 10 13:22:50 CST 2009


Dr. Gill,

We understand your attitude toward your opponent.

Would you mind sharing your view on the the War?

On 12/10/2009 12:04 PM, David Gill wrote:
> Hi Steve,
>     I share your concerns regarding Mr. Johnson.   We are suddenly to 
> believe "pledges" made by Mr. Johnson, the man who signed a pledge to 
> vacate Washington, D.C. by 2006 (a "pledge" which permitted him to win 
> a narrow victory in a hotly-contested Republican primary in 2000)?  
> Actions like voting to invade Iraq (an action I publicly 
> opposed) speak much louder than words, especially actions that cost 
> the blood of millions, and the lost opportunities that a trillion 
> dollars would have brought to the American people and the world.  And 
> has Mr. Johnson even actually made such a  "pledge" publicly?  If so, 
> can Mr. Estabrook actually reference it for us?  I read Mr. Johnson's 
> press releases very closely, and while he calls for "responsible" 
> withdrawal from Afghanistan, I can't find the call for "immediate" 
> withdrawal which Mr. Estabrook ascribes to Mr. Johnson.
>       Finally, to set the record straight:  I am not the "putative" 
> Democratic candidate for Illinois' 15th district seat in the U.S. 
> House of Representatives in the 2010 election, as described by Mr. 
> Estabrook.  I am the true and actual candidate, as evidenced by a 
> quick look at the web site of the Illinois State Board of Elections.
> Thanks,
> David Gill, M.D.
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Steve Cox <coxsg at sbcglobal.net>
> *To:* Peace-discuss List <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; Karen 
> Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com>; tif-cu at googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* Quakers <ucfriendsmeeting at gmail.com>; tif-cu at googlegroups.com; 
> David Gill <docgill37 at yahoo.com>
> *Sent:* Wed, December 9, 2009 5:46:35 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson congratulated us on being 
> consistent
>
> Ladies and gentlemen, I find it very hard to consider Representative 
> Johnson's current conclusions as anything other than political 
> posturing.  With President Obama, a Democrat, holding the 
> responsibilities for our Executive Branch of government, it is very 
> convenient for Mr. Johnson to take a studied perspective of our 
> military involvement in Iraq and Afganistan.  The real time for Mr. 
> Johnson to have made indications or even statements of his differing 
> conclusions was when President Bush was in office.  That was the time 
> that he needed to make a devout expression of concern and conscience 
> in opposition to the war and torture.  That is when he should have 
> stood up for truth, justice and human dignity.   The truth is he did 
> not.  He failed to serve the 15th Congressional District with the 
> complete devotion that his office called upon him to present.
>
> I believe a person stands for what is right no matter what the 
> personal cost when they see something wrong being done or is projected 
> to be done.  The truth is what matters.  The United States of America 
> should never have attacked and invaded the country of Iraq.  Once that 
> was factually known, our nation should have confessed that error and 
> done everything possible to make appropriate restitution. Our 
> complicity is due to the fact that we, the people of this nation, did 
> not make our leaders in Congress and the Executive Branch pronounce 
> that open and clear statement to the world.
>
> Please do not misunderstand.  I favor Mr. Johnson's new position.  I 
> encourage your solicitation of him to sponsor measures for peace and 
> against torture.  But I find it hard to believe that his change of 
> mind or repackaging of his old positions is anything other than 
> political gamesmanship.
>
> Thank you for the work you individually and collectively have 
> performed to help us move to a better time and better world for all.  
> Please never feel that your efforts are not enough, not important or 
> have little results.  The fact that you care for another human being 
> is the greatest gift you can give to our world.
>
> Forgiveness and love are appropriate for Mr. Johnson, too.  But wisdom 
> cautions us to know and understand who he is and what he has done or 
> not done.
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
> Steve Cox
>
> --- On *Sun, 12/6/09, Barbara kessel /<barkes at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Barbara kessel <barkes at gmail.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson congratulated us on being
>     consistent
>     To: "Peace-discuss List" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>,
>     "Karen Medina" <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
>     Cc: "Quakers" <ucfriendsmeeting at gmail.com>, tif-cu at googlegroups.com
>     Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 10:54 PM
>
>     Thanks, Karen for passing this on. i agree with others: Let's give
>     Tim Johnson a hand officially. He didn't just change his mind; he
>     acknowledged that AWARE has been consistent.
>
>     *T**here is a related issue that REP. TIM JOHNSON has been
>     relatively good about: TORTURE*. The National Religious Coalition
>     Against Torture will be meeting with him (probably in Washington
>     D.C.) this Wednesday to ask him to be a co-sponsor of a bill to
>     establish a select committee to review our past interrogation
>     practices and recommend future restrictions.
>      NRCAT asks us who are in his district to start calling his office
>     to urge him to be a co-sponsor. Same time we can thank him for
>     coming to the right conclusion on the wars. Two reasons to call!
>     *Please give Tim Johnson a call this week sometime.* Washington
>     D.C. (202) -225-2371 or 2004 Fox Drive, (217) 403-4690.
>
>     Barbara Kessel
>
>>
>>
>>
>>                 --- On *Sat, 12/5/09, Karen Medina
>>                 /<kmedina67 at gmail.com
>>                 <http://mc/compose?to=kmedina67@gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>>
>>
>>                     From: Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com
>>                     <http://mc/compose?to=kmedina67@gmail.com>>
>>                     Subject: [Peace-discuss] Tim Johnson
>>                     congratulated us on being consistent
>>                     To: "Peace-discuss List"
>>                     <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>                     <http://mc/compose?to=Peace-discuss@lists.chambana.net>>
>>                     Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 6:10 PM
>>
>>
>>                     Peace-discuss,
>>
>>                     Representative Tim Johnson approached the AWARE
>>                     table at the Holiday
>>                     Market while it was personed by Dave Harley and
>>                     Stuart Levy. Tim
>>                     congratulated us on being consistent from the
>>                     beginning, Tim now
>>                     believes that he was wrong twice and regrets his
>>                     mistakes.
>>
>>
>>
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