[Peace-discuss] Amadinejad's speech

Wed Feb 4 07:11:48 CST 2009

Hmm. I do agree on most points of his speech. Although I'm pretty sure the
Holocaust actually happened...Sorry Amadinejad...

On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Helluva speech, and certainly qaccurate, at least or especially the Bush
> part.
>  --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Tue, 2/3/09, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
> From: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Amadinejad's speech
> To: "Brussel Morton K." <mkbrussel at comcast.net>
> Cc: "peace-discuss Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 11:51 PM
>
>
> Very interesting.  Thanks, Mort.  As usual I can't find much to argue
> with.  But what do you suppose Ahmadinejad means by this sentence:  "There
> was an event called September 11, the cause of which remains unknown and,
> like the Holocaust, a true investigation was not permitted."  In what way
> was the Holocaust not investigated?  I presume he's referring to the Jewish
> Holocaust.
>
> John
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Brussel Morton K. <mkbrussel at comcast.net>wrote:
>
>  Answering Obama …
>>
>> *Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Speech in Kermanshah, Iran -January 28, 2009*
>>
>> Translated by Ebrahim Norouzi, MD
>> (c) 2009 The Mossadegh Project
>>
>> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
>>
>> Today we can look at the very dark and shameful file of Mr. Bush in the
>> world arena—full of crimes, murders and treachery against humanity that
>> joined the dustbin of history. The last page in this dark file was his
>> support for Zionist crimes in Gaza. We witnessed how the innocent women and
>> children were slaughtered by the use of banned weapons or otherwise. Mr.
>> Bush rudely supported these crimes, with his wolf-like language of
>> brutality. He is gone now, and God willing, will end up in Hell.
>>
>> Now a new administration is in power with slogan of Change and stated
>> change in American policies, this is very good, a good talk since Mr Bush's
>> policies were one hundred percent unethical, inhumane and contrary to Godly
>> values and teaching of his prophets. Mr Bush's behavior and his policies
>> were the most foul and criminal of policies the world has seen over the past
>> 50 years.
>>
>> The fact that they have said they want to change, the talk at its base is
>> a good talk, but bear with me the dear people of Kermanshah, people of Iran
>> and all nations of the world, I want to talk with you about this change. The
>> issue is important and it is proper to set forth this important issue in the
>> presence of revolutionary and pious people of Kermanshah.
>>
>> When they say we intend to change course, the change may occur in two
>> ways, one—a fundamental and foundational change which has an effect and
>> represents a change in principle. The second way is a tactical change, a
>> change in method and use of language only as a political weapon. It is very
>> clear that if the intention is of the second kind, it would soon be revealed
>> and the nations of the world would situate themselves accordingly. Here I
>> want to bring up some of the actions of Mr. Bush's government and see what
>> must take place if there is going to be a change.
>>
>> One of the main problems of Mr. Bush and his collaborators were the way
>> they looked at human societies. They sought superiority and domination over
>> others. They perceived themselves to be number one and ranked other nations
>> as number three, four or ten. When they spoke with others it was from a
>> position of conceit and entitlement. If this is supposed to change, we
>> should no longer witness an America that sees itself superior to others,
>> dominates others, speaks rudely to other nations and ranks itself above all
>> others.
>>
>> The presence of military force around the world was the other wrong policy
>> of Mr. Bush. You saw how they used September 11, the downing of twin towers
>> in New York, as an excuse to invade and occupy other countries. Today
>> American government for domination's sake has military forces from Japan to
>> South America, from South Africa to the heart of Europe. The question is
>> this: why should America have military bases around the world? Wherever a
>> war breaks out, it is either due to the presence of American forces or due
>> to their unnecessary meddling.
>>
>> When they say the policy is going to change, that should mean an end to
>> American military presence around the world. They should pick up their
>> forces and return to within their own boundary to serve their own people.
>> Nobody in the world has asked them to mobilize their forces.
>>
>> There was an event called September 11, the cause of which remains unknown
>> and, like the Holocaust, a true investigation was not permitted. Using
>> September 11 as an excuse, they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. More than a
>> million innocent Iraqis died. Several hundred thousand Afghanis lost their
>> lives. Several million became refugees. If you are talking about a policy
>> change then give permission to find out the cause, if you are talking about
>> a policy change it should mean removal of your army and forces.
>>
>> In Afghanistan you have brought an increase in narcotic production and
>> insecurity. Change in policy means allowing the Afghan government to pursue
>> its own plan to combat narcotic production.
>>
>> Mr Bush had the habit of permitting himself to intervene in the affairs of
>> all nations. Mr. Sudan, why this? Mr. Arabestan, [Saudi Arabia] why are you
>> praying this way? Mr. Iran, why do you want to progress scientifically?
>>
>> If they are saying that we want to change policies, that should mean that
>> the American government should not interfere in the affairs of other
>> nations. What business is it of theirs how other nations live, who asked
>> them to come and interfere in their affairs?
>>
>> Mr Bush, without any question and unconditionally, gave his support to the
>> criminal Zionists. They brought a group, gathered from around the world and
>> exiled the people of Palestine with force of Gun, and placed those people in
>> their place. Their mission was to constantly create wars, terrorize, invade,
>> occupy and intimidate others. Mr Bush had closed his eyes and in an absolute
>> way defended all the Zionists crimes, granting no rights to the Palestinian
>> nation.
>>
>> Change in policy means withdrawing your support from Zionists, the
>> non-native, uncultured, illegal, impostor, homicidal, killer of women and
>> children and allow the people of Palestine to decide their own destiny.
>>
>> Mr. Bush humiliated American nation. Insulted American nation. Listened to
>> the phones of all Americans. Planned for and created a psychological war of
>> fear and intimidation on American people. With this method he excluded them
>> from the political scene and did what he wanted in the world. If you are
>> talking about policy change, then lift the pressures off the American
>> people. Allow people of America to be free and to engage in political
>> affairs and choose their own destiny themselves. Why are you disgracing the
>> people of America?
>>
>> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad As to the last part, grant me permission to talk about
>> our dear Iran. We are at the threshold of the revolution. Those who say they
>> want to change their policies should now pay attention. It is more than 60
>> years that the successive American governments stood at the opposition of
>> the Iranian nation. In 1332 [1953] with a coup they toppled the national
>> government of Iran and replaced it with a harsh, unpopular and despotic
>> regime. They took our oil and our wealth. They corrupted our culture and in
>> return gave us a Satanic entity called SAVAK [Shah's security agency] that
>> tortured our scholars, our young and learned people in their dungeons with
>> one hundred percent American support.
>>
>> They kept us from joining the caravan of progress for 25 years, bringing
>> poverty, misery and illiteracy to our nation. On 15 Khordad '42 [Persian
>> calendar 1342, or June 5, 1963] they humiliated our nation and killed 15,000
>> people of this nation and exiled the leader of our nation [Ayatollah
>> Khomeini]. In '57 [Persian calendar 1357, or 1978] they killed more than
>> 1,500 people in the Martyrs square and the killers received the American
>> president's support. They stood by the side of dictatorship until the last
>> day. They stood in opposition to the revolution of the freedom, independence
>> and justice-seeking Iranian nation.
>>
>> From the dawn of victory until now, the American government has stood in
>> opposition to our nation. They turned their embassy into a spy den, they
>> invaded Tabas [a city in the east of Iran used by American forces in an
>> attempt to free hostages], plotted a military coup, protected terrorists
>> [MEK guerrilla organization] who killed more than 16,000 people, they
>> encouraged and supported Saddam to go to war with Iran; eight years of war
>> with their help, with their support, with their weapons against the nation
>> of Iran.
>>
>> This very heroic Kermanshah was bombed hundreds of times and Saddam and
>> his bombing was condoned by the American governments. They even defended the
>> use of chemical weapons by Saddam. They insulted our nation and culture,
>> frequently announced their intention to uproot the Iranian nation. They
>> downed our passenger plane and commited hundreds of crimes against the
>> people of Iran. They even rudely opposed our nation on the nuclear issue.
>> Those who possess more than 10,000 atomic bombs shamelessly voice their
>> concern about our nation.
>>
>> I think those who say they want to create change: this is change, to
>> apologize to the nation of Iran and try to make up for their dark history
>> and crimes they have commited against the Iranian nation.
>>
>> We welcome change but on the condition that the change is fundamental and
>> on a right course, otherwise pay attention, otherwise the world should know,
>> that anyone with the same speaking manner of Mr. Bush, same language of Mr.
>> Bush, the same spirit of Mr. Bush, adventurism of Mr. Bush, even using new
>> words to speak to the nation of Iran, the answer is the same Mr. Bush and
>> his lackeys received over the years.
>>
>> We hear that they are making plans for Iran. We in turn wait patiently,
>> listen carefully to their words, carefully assess actions under the
>> magnifying glass and if a real change occurs in a fundamental way, we shall
>> welcome it.
>>
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