[Peace-discuss] Amadinejad's speech
E. Wayne Johnson
ewj at pigs.ag
Wed Feb 4 10:52:22 CST 2009
As regards 9/11 there are questions remaining - among which are why the
collapse of building 7 and why "intelligence" failed,
and as regards the Holocaust, the actual body count is in dispute by
some, not whether or not there was any genocide.
Amadinejad is making the most of the uncertainty to cast unpeaceable
words. He certainly has a legitimate complaint
regarding the US foreign policy. He is also raising the bar much too
high for Obama & Co.
/"When they say the policy is going to change, that should mean an end
to American military presence around the world. They should pick up
their forces and return to within their own boundary to serve their own
people. Nobody in the world has asked them to mobilize their forces."/
/
/
Obama, et al., will be doing the same as "Bush and his lackeys" but with
"new words" that mean the same as the old words. Amadinejad is saying
that he perceives the transparent deceit of Obama. Unfortunately many
Americans, both neocons and Obots, will respond with contempt towards Iran
rather than contempt toward their government, even though that
government harms us personally here at home with wasting of our
substance, endangers us by its foreign escapades, and is now
threatening us with unconstitution impressment into "national service",
among other things.
Real hope is hope that the folks at home will wake up and realize they
are being gypped.
Cody Bralts-Steindl wrote:
> Hmm. I do agree on most points of his speech. Although I'm pretty sure
> the Holocaust actually happened...Sorry Amadinejad...
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Jenifer Cartwright
> <jencart13 at yahoo.com <mailto:jencart13 at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
> Helluva speech, and certainly qaccurate, at least or
> especially the Bush part.
> --Jenifer
>
> --- On *Tue, 2/3/09, John W. /<jbw292002 at gmail.com
> <mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>
> From: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com <mailto:jbw292002 at gmail.com>>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Amadinejad's speech
> To: "Brussel Morton K." <mkbrussel at comcast.net
> <mailto:mkbrussel at comcast.net>>
> Cc: "peace-discuss Discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net
> <mailto:peace-discuss at anti-war.net>>
> Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 11:51 PM
>
>
> Very interesting. Thanks, Mort. As usual I can't find much
> to argue with. But what do you suppose Ahmadinejad means by
> this sentence: "There was an event called September 11, the
> cause of which remains unknown and, like the Holocaust, a true
> investigation was not permitted." In what way was the
> Holocaust not investigated? I presume he's referring to the
> Jewish Holocaust.
>
> John
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Brussel Morton K.
> <mkbrussel at comcast.net <mailto:mkbrussel at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
> Answering Obama …
>
> *Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's Speech in Kermanshah, Iran -January
> 28, 2009*
>
> Translated by Ebrahim Norouzi, MD
> © 2009 The Mossadegh Project
>
> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
>
> Today we can look at the very dark and shameful file of
> Mr. Bush in the world arena—full of crimes, murders and
> treachery against humanity that joined the dustbin of
> history. The last page in this dark file was his support
> for Zionist crimes in Gaza. We witnessed how the innocent
> women and children were slaughtered by the use of banned
> weapons or otherwise. Mr. Bush rudely supported these
> crimes, with his wolf-like language of brutality. He is
> gone now, and God willing, will end up in Hell.
>
> Now a new administration is in power with slogan of Change
> and stated change in American policies, this is very good,
> a good talk since Mr Bush's policies were one hundred
> percent unethical, inhumane and contrary to Godly values
> and teaching of his prophets. Mr Bush's behavior and his
> policies were the most foul and criminal of policies the
> world has seen over the past 50 years.
>
> The fact that they have said they want to change, the talk
> at its base is a good talk, but bear with me the dear
> people of Kermanshah, people of Iran and all nations of
> the world, I want to talk with you about this change. The
> issue is important and it is proper to set forth this
> important issue in the presence of revolutionary and pious
> people of Kermanshah.
>
> When they say we intend to change course, the change may
> occur in two ways, one—a fundamental and foundational
> change which has an effect and represents a change in
> principle. The second way is a tactical change, a change
> in method and use of language only as a political weapon.
> It is very clear that if the intention is of the second
> kind, it would soon be revealed and the nations of the
> world would situate themselves accordingly. Here I want to
> bring up some of the actions of Mr. Bush's government and
> see what must take place if there is going to be a change.
>
> One of the main problems of Mr. Bush and his collaborators
> were the way they looked at human societies. They sought
> superiority and domination over others. They perceived
> themselves to be number one and ranked other nations as
> number three, four or ten. When they spoke with others it
> was from a position of conceit and entitlement. If this is
> supposed to change, we should no longer witness an America
> that sees itself superior to others, dominates others,
> speaks rudely to other nations and ranks itself above all
> others.
>
> The presence of military force around the world was the
> other wrong policy of Mr. Bush. You saw how they used
> September 11, the downing of twin towers in New York, as
> an excuse to invade and occupy other countries. Today
> American government for domination's sake has military
> forces from Japan to South America, from South Africa to
> the heart of Europe. The question is this: why should
> America have military bases around the world? Wherever a
> war breaks out, it is either due to the presence of
> American forces or due to their unnecessary meddling.
>
> When they say the policy is going to change, that should
> mean an end to American military presence around the
> world. They should pick up their forces and return to
> within their own boundary to serve their own people.
> Nobody in the world has asked them to mobilize their forces.
>
> There was an event called September 11, the cause of which
> remains unknown and, like the Holocaust, a true
> investigation was not permitted. Using September 11 as an
> excuse, they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan. More than a
> million innocent Iraqis died. Several hundred thousand
> Afghanis lost their lives. Several million became
> refugees. If you are talking about a policy change then
> give permission to find out the cause, if you are talking
> about a policy change it should mean removal of your army
> and forces.
>
> In Afghanistan you have brought an increase in narcotic
> production and insecurity. Change in policy means allowing
> the Afghan government to pursue its own plan to combat
> narcotic production.
>
> Mr Bush had the habit of permitting himself to intervene
> in the affairs of all nations. Mr. Sudan, why this? Mr.
> Arabestan, [Saudi Arabia] why are you praying this way?
> Mr. Iran, why do you want to progress scientifically?
>
> If they are saying that we want to change policies, that
> should mean that the American government should not
> interfere in the affairs of other nations. What business
> is it of theirs how other nations live, who asked them to
> come and interfere in their affairs?
>
> Mr Bush, without any question and unconditionally, gave
> his support to the criminal Zionists. They brought a
> group, gathered from around the world and exiled the
> people of Palestine with force of Gun, and placed those
> people in their place. Their mission was to constantly
> create wars, terrorize, invade, occupy and intimidate
> others. Mr Bush had closed his eyes and in an absolute way
> defended all the Zionists crimes, granting no rights to
> the Palestinian nation.
>
> Change in policy means withdrawing your support from
> Zionists, the non-native, uncultured, illegal, impostor,
> homicidal, killer of women and children and allow the
> people of Palestine to decide their own destiny.
>
> Mr. Bush humiliated American nation. Insulted American
> nation. Listened to the phones of all Americans. Planned
> for and created a psychological war of fear and
> intimidation on American people. With this method he
> excluded them from the political scene and did what he
> wanted in the world. If you are talking about policy
> change, then lift the pressures off the American people.
> Allow people of America to be free and to engage in
> political affairs and choose their own destiny themselves.
> Why are you disgracing the people of America?
>
> Mahmoud Ahmadinejad As to the last part, grant me
> permission to talk about our dear Iran. We are at the
> threshold of the revolution. Those who say they want to
> change their policies should now pay attention. It is more
> than 60 years that the successive American governments
> stood at the opposition of the Iranian nation. In 1332
> [1953] with a coup they toppled the national government of
> Iran and replaced it with a harsh, unpopular and despotic
> regime. They took our oil and our wealth. They corrupted
> our culture and in return gave us a Satanic entity called
> SAVAK [Shah's security agency] that tortured our scholars,
> our young and learned people in their dungeons with one
> hundred percent American support.
>
> They kept us from joining the caravan of progress for 25
> years, bringing poverty, misery and illiteracy to our
> nation. On 15 Khordad '42 [Persian calendar 1342, or June
> 5, 1963] they humiliated our nation and killed 15,000
> people of this nation and exiled the leader of our nation
> [Ayatollah Khomeini]. In '57 [Persian calendar 1357, or
> 1978] they killed more than 1,500 people in the Martyrs
> square and the killers received the American president's
> support. They stood by the side of dictatorship until the
> last day. They stood in opposition to the revolution of
> the freedom, independence and justice-seeking Iranian nation.
>
> From the dawn of victory until now, the American
> government has stood in opposition to our nation. They
> turned their embassy into a spy den, they invaded Tabas [a
> city in the east of Iran used by American forces in an
> attempt to free hostages], plotted a military coup,
> protected terrorists [MEK guerrilla organization] who
> killed more than 16,000 people, they encouraged and
> supported Saddam to go to war with Iran; eight years of
> war with their help, with their support, with their
> weapons against the nation of Iran.
>
> This very heroic Kermanshah was bombed hundreds of times
> and Saddam and his bombing was condoned by the American
> governments. They even defended the use of chemical
> weapons by Saddam. They insulted our nation and culture,
> frequently announced their intention to uproot the Iranian
> nation. They downed our passenger plane and commited
> hundreds of crimes against the people of Iran. They even
> rudely opposed our nation on the nuclear issue. Those who
> possess more than 10,000 atomic bombs shamelessly voice
> their concern about our nation.
>
> I think those who say they want to create change: this is
> change, to apologize to the nation of Iran and try to make
> up for their dark history and crimes they have commited
> against the Iranian nation.
>
> We welcome change but on the condition that the change is
> fundamental and on a right course, otherwise pay
> attention, otherwise the world should know, that anyone
> with the same speaking manner of Mr. Bush, same language
> of Mr. Bush, the same spirit of Mr. Bush, adventurism of
> Mr. Bush, even using new words to speak to the nation of
> Iran, the answer is the same Mr. Bush and his lackeys
> received over the years.
>
> We hear that they are making plans for Iran. We in turn
> wait patiently, listen carefully to their words, carefully
> assess actions under the magnifying glass and if a real
> change occurs in a fundamental way, we shall welcome it.
>
>
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