[Discuss] [Peace-discuss] more than a nuisance

[John W.]

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 10:11 AM, unionyes <unionyes at ameritech.net> wrote:

Yes Indeed !
>
> But white people will also be jailed and / or killed if they become a
> serious enough threat to the system.
>
> Also, in response to Wayne's post, once someone is released from jail ( for
> whatever they were convicted of ( rightly or wrongly ) violent or
> non-violent ( non violent being the vast majority ) where are they suppose
> to live if there are such ordinances in place ?
>
> How are they suppose to re enter society and be " good " citizens if they
> cannot find a place to live ?
>
> What will happen is that they will more than likely be forced to turn back
> to illegal activity ( possibly violence ) in order to survive.
>
> David Johnson


I'm just a bit confused, Dave.  I'm pretty sure that you and Wayne and
Patrick are all on the same side - more or less AGAINST Urbana's proposed
criminal nuisance ordinance.  In the present thread, only Ricky has said
anything positive about it.

John Wason




> ----- Original Message ----- From: <cu at veyafoundation.org>
> To: "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Cc: "Community Courtwatch" <discuss at communitycourtwatch.org>; "peace
> discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2009 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Discuss] [Peace-discuss] more than a nuisance
>
>
>  Okay since we opened this door let's talk about dangerous criminals in
>> Champaign County. Until you commit to punishing and prosecuting the private
>> sector, city, state and federal government for the 100 years  that they have
>> robbed and stolen trillions of dollars from everyday  people then how do you
>> support an ordinance that will be used to  discriminate against the minority
>> and the poor. If law enforcement was  aggressively targeting those dangerous
>> criminals like they pursue the  poor and minority then your argument would
>> be valid. I see and hear  only a few. As a few of my white friends and
>> colleagues told me if you  Patrick go out and fight injustice they will lock
>> you up and kill you.  But if I a white person fight for those same reasons
>> nothing would  happen to me.
>>
>> PDT
>>
>> Quoting "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag>:
>>
>>  Excuse me, but your posting did focus on upkeep.
>>>
>>> The City of Urbana has a law forbidding landlords from denying housing
>>> to persons because of a criminal record.
>>>
>>> Do you think this law should be repealed?  I am intending this to be a
>>> serious question.
>>>
>>> Certainly not all dangerous criminals have criminal records, vis a vis,
>>> the past and current President, many members of Congress,...
>>> And not all persons with criminal records are really "dangerous
>>> criminals", but there may be some correlation.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> And basic maintenance is not my point, Wayne, but the hazards and
>>>> sometimes terror of living in a building or in a neighborhood where
>>>> landlords keep renting to dangerous criminals, and so on.
>>>> Ricky
>>>>
>>>> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
>>>
>>>
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