[Peace-discuss] Re: Nuisance Ordinance and Racism

E. Wayne Johnson ewj at pigs.ag
Sun Jan 4 22:51:56 CST 2009


Actually I am working on putting in my thought on addressing the Roots.

John W. wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:37 PM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag 
> <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> wrote:
>
>     What do you mean?
>
>
> Jen is asking you, Wayne, what type and degree of crime you're willing 
> to tolerate next door to you.  It's a valid question even though I 
> surmise that you, as an elitist, live in a neighborhood where crime is 
> not a real big issue.
>
> Of course you did suggest that any ordinance should address the ROOTS 
> of the problem.  We're still waiting to hear how you'd do that - 
> aside, of course, from utilizing your own pecuniary advantages to move 
> to a neighborhood that's "safe".
>
> John W.
>
>
>  
>
>     Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>>     Excellent points, Marti, John and Ricky. Wayne, you can NOT be
>>     serious about yr objections!! What are YOU willing to have in
>>     YOUR neighborhood???
>>      --Jenifer
>>
>>     --- On *Sun, 1/4/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>
>>     <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>>
>>         From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>
>>         Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: Nuisance Ordinance and Racism
>>         To: "Marti Wilkinson" <martiwilki at gmail.com>
>>         <mailto:martiwilki at gmail.com>
>>         Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>         <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Randall Cotton"
>>         <recotton at earthlink.net> <mailto:recotton at earthlink.net>
>>         Date: Sunday, January 4, 2009, 1:40 PM
>>
>>         Did you ever get the power hooked back up to your garage?
>>
>>         Marti Wilkinson wrote:
>>>
>>>         If we can get back to the original issue - there are
>>>         different opinions on the proposed ordinance regarding
>>>         property owners and the conduct of their tenants. My primary
>>>         objection is due to how an ordinance like this can
>>>         potentially be enforced.
>>>
>>>         By that same token, I am not unsympathetic to property
>>>         owners who live next door to individuals who engage in
>>>         criminal conduct. My question here is what would the
>>>         individual do if the neighbors happen to be homeowners?  To
>>>         me the question of how to deal with poor neighbors is one
>>>         that can't always be addressed through the creation of laws.
>>>
>>>         For example, when I bought my house in 1997 I came close to
>>>         not making an offer on the house because the owners pulled a
>>>         couple of stunts when I attempted to see the house. I wasn't
>>>         able to get a good look at the backyard due to an oversize
>>>         swimming pool. However, I was living in a place where the
>>>         lease was going to expire and it was the best house I could
>>>         afford at the time.
>>>
>>>         When I moved in I had to cut down 5 foot high weeds that
>>>         were spread across the back yard. Additionally I had to fill
>>>         in the hole that had been left when the previous owners
>>>         removed their swimming pool. Underneath the wood deck (which
>>>         I later removed) was an exposed wire which connected the
>>>         detached garage to the house. In order to alleviate the fire
>>>         hazard I had to disconnect the power to my garage. In the
>>>         process of moving the previous owners trashed the place,
>>>         left a mess, and took off with the mailbox. Their daughter
>>>         later came over and told me how embarrassed she was by the
>>>         state of things.
>>>
>>>         This is not all....a couple of my neighbors, who moved here
>>>         from Germany, told me that they had been subject to verbal
>>>         abuse and harassment by the previous owners. Another
>>>         neighbor of mine, who is blind, received similar treatment.
>>>         I've heard stories about drinking and loud fights and when I
>>>         checked the circuit clerk site I found that members of the
>>>         family have been on the receiving end of restraining orders.
>>>         However, as homeowners, they were not subject to the types
>>>         of nuisance laws that are being proposed against renters.
>>>
>>>         At the time I bought the house the previous owners told me
>>>         they were building a place out 'in the country' and,
>>>         considering what I have heard, it may be that they just were
>>>         not a good fit for living in a municipal community.
>>>
>>>         Needless to say my neighbors were happy to see me move in:)
>>>
>>>         Marti
>>>
>>>          
>>>
>>>         On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:38 AM, E. Wayne Johnson
>>>         <ewj at pigs.ag <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> wrote:
>>>
>>>             You certainly seem to be far more cynical and far more
>>>             willing to settle for a lot less than I am,
>>>             and certainly more willing to surrender your personal
>>>             liberties to the (I'll say it again) iron thumb.
>>>             I am surprised to find you and Ricky both defending the
>>>             status quo in Urbana.It
>>>>             Laurel, despite her privileged life, is surprisingly
>>>>             UNpompous and UNarrogant.
>>>             Really!!!!?????  You've GOT to be kidding.
>>>
>>>             She is the most pompous and arrogant person that I know
>>>             and certainly one of the most pompous I have ever
>>>             had the misfortune to have met.  I dont know what draws
>>>             a serpent like her into a backwater like Urbana. 
>>>             She is obviously someone "Not from around here". 
>>>
>>>             I perceive Laurel Lunt Prussing as a sort of post-modern
>>>             Margaret Sanger, a campaigner, nay, a marauder
>>>             for the superior blooded elite.  She is one who
>>>             perceives the inferior and now cowering unfortunate
>>>             miserable unwashed
>>>             under her purview as "human weeds".  Since it is all So
>>>             too damn late for her to have prevented their birth,
>>>             she desires to call in and invalidate their franchise on
>>>             life by what ever post-natal means are at her disposal. 
>>>             She is, as some
>>>             others have observed, genuinely classist, and racist to
>>>             the ribosome.  But she covers for and disguises her
>>>             inherent illiberality by various outward displays and
>>>             posturings of false concern.  She knows that she
>>>             must always maintain the facade because she is a
>>>             political animal.  She is constantly on the lookout for
>>>             each opportunity to
>>>             slapping the scarlet badge of bigotry and racism on
>>>             others as a cloak for her own occasional "wardrobe
>>>             malfunctions".
>>>
>>>             The fact that someone like Laurel Lunt Prussing was ever
>>>             able to hold a public office is a testimony not only to
>>>             the power of
>>>             deep pockets in the political game but also to the sheer
>>>             ignorance and apathy of the hapless electorate.
>>>
>>>             That's pretty much how I see her, but I might think of
>>>             something else later on.
>>>
>>>
>>>             John W. wrote:
>>>>             It's funny...I agree with Ricky but I also agree with
>>>>             some of what you say, Wayne.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             On Sat, Jan 3, 2009 at 9:54 PM, E. Wayne Johnson
>>>>             <ewj at pigs.ag <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>                 Ricky,
>>>>
>>>>                 I think it is reasonable to state your opinion and
>>>>                 state your case.
>>>>
>>>>                 I don't think that is reasonable to equate things
>>>>                 that are under the control of a landlord ("toxic
>>>>                 waste") with things that are not under the control
>>>>                 of the landlord (behaviour of the tenants and their
>>>>                 guests).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Ah, but that IS very much under the control of the
>>>>             landlord.
>>>>
>>>>             First of all, the landlord screens the tenants, and
>>>>             determines what type of tenants s/he wants living in
>>>>             her/his building.   There are certain fundamental bases
>>>>             upon which a landlord cannot discriminate, but the
>>>>             landlord can most certainly discriminate on the basis
>>>>             of credit history, prior negative history with the
>>>>             tenant union, a background of criminal convictions or
>>>>             civil judgments, etc.
>>>>
>>>>             I live in an apartment building with 11 units.  We all
>>>>             sign a lease, which is a binding contract.  One of the
>>>>             provisions in the lease is that we not make excessive
>>>>             noise.  If one of my neighboring tenants is making
>>>>             excessive noise, I first go and talk to the tenant
>>>>             directly.  If that approach fails, I phone my landlord,
>>>>             who is very conscientious and wants to maintain a
>>>>             decent building.  The landlord then phones the
>>>>             offending tenant, and warns him or her to keep the
>>>>             noise down.  That generally works, because the landlord
>>>>             has every legal right to boot the noisy tenant's ass
>>>>             out of the building for violating a term of the lease. 
>>>>             The tenant has control over his/her behavior, and the
>>>>             landlord has control over the premises and who is on
>>>>             the premises.
>>>>
>>>>             Should my appeal to the landlord fail, I then call the
>>>>             police, and a complaint is lodged against the noisy
>>>>             tenant.  I don't recall seeing "excessive noise" in the
>>>>             Urbana ordinance, but I personally don't want to live
>>>>             in the vicinity of noisy tenants.  My rent entitles me
>>>>             to, among other things, the "quiet enjoyment" of my
>>>>             domicile, and I take that very seriously.
>>>>
>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>                 As many others have pointed out, the ordinance is
>>>>                 likely to be unevenly enforced, and at best, it is
>>>>                 completely misdirected in that it does not address
>>>>                 any of the roots of the problem. 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Virtually nothing in our criminal justice system
>>>>             addresses the underlying roots of the crime problem. 
>>>>             There's nothing unique about this ordinance.  "Solving"
>>>>             crime is, methinks, largely beyond the powers of the
>>>>             City of Urbana.
>>>>
>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>                 *
>>>>
>>>>                 Since I moved to Urbana from Guangzhou in China in
>>>>                 2001, the Philo Road area has collapsed
>>>>                 with several businesses there closing (Kmart, the
>>>>                 shoe store, 3 or 4 various small shoppes in
>>>>                 Sunnycrest, the dental center,
>>>>                 the IGA store, and Piccadilly Liquors), Lincoln
>>>>                 Square has completely imploded and died, and
>>>>                 several other
>>>>                 small businesses have either died or failed to
>>>>                 thrive.  (/I am confident that I didn't jinx Urbana
>>>>                 by my arrival./)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             This is all unfortunate and I don't quite understand
>>>>             it.  It seems to me that Lincoln Square is in a choice
>>>>             location and should be thriving.  But what's your
>>>>             point?  Is this loss of business responsible for the
>>>>             crime problem in Urbana?
>>>>
>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>                 At the onset I had a generally positive view of
>>>>                 Urbana's new Mayor as I had credited her
>>>>                 (falsely) with attracting some of the new
>>>>                 activities and new construction occurring on her watch.
>>>>
>>>>                 At my very first meeting with her, she told me that
>>>>                 the financial activities of the city should not be
>>>>                 known by the people.  We had a long
>>>>                 hard fight with her on the issue of transparency in
>>>>                 the local government with much chicanery on her
>>>>                 part.  Among all the things that she did
>>>>                 the most dastardly was the placement of "fluff"
>>>>                 referenda on the ballot to block the activity of
>>>>                 grassroots democracy in querying the will of
>>>>                 the people.  It became clear to me that the goal of
>>>>                 the mayor and her supporters was remain in power,
>>>>                 and to squelch all external voices.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             Remaining in power seems to be the goal of most
>>>>             politicians, though considerably less so on the local
>>>>             than on the national level.  It's the rare politician
>>>>             who does the "right" thing irrespective of the
>>>>             political consequences, and I've seen those politicians
>>>>             take as much or more flack from citizens than any of
>>>>             the others.  You can't please all of the voters all of
>>>>             the time no matter WHAT you do and how conscientious
>>>>             you are.
>>>>
>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>                 At the city council meeting in early December where
>>>>                 a transparency referendum was discussed, she got
>>>>                 her facts a bit confused and
>>>>                 attributed events surrounding IRV petitioning with
>>>>                 those having to do with the transparency issue. 
>>>>
>>>>                 In all cases, the goal of those of us working on
>>>>                 transparency and IRV was to improve the quality of
>>>>                 local government. 
>>>>                 Transparency is going to become more and more
>>>>                 important as city revenues shrink, expenditures
>>>>                 balloon, and deficits loom.
>>>>                 IRV is a great idea, and Urbana's ruling class is
>>>>                 terrified that the people might actually get a
>>>>                 voice in city government.
>>>>
>>>>                 Mayor Prussing has made herself the National poster
>>>>                 child of elitism and the mailed fist in city
>>>>                 government.
>>>>                 All tyrants have their supporters, and quite likely
>>>>                 most pompous prigs like Laurel Lunt Prussing
>>>>                 did not start out to be as arrogant and
>>>>                 authoritarian as they inevitably turned out to be,
>>>>                 or were found out to be, later on.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>             There's no doubt that Mayor Prussing is an elitist,
>>>>             just like a good many readers of this list.  She's led
>>>>             a pretty privileged life, and it's the only life she
>>>>             knows.   ("Mailed fist", on the other hand, is pure
>>>>             libertarian speak.)  Despite that, I agree with Ricky
>>>>             that there could be FAR worse mayors.  Laurel, despite
>>>>             her privileged life, is surprisingly UNpompous and
>>>>             UNarrogant.
>>>>
>>>>             John Wason
>>>>
>>>>              
>>>>
>>>>                 Wayne
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                 Ricky Baldwin wrote:
>>>>>                 Sorry, but I have to say that we may disagree with
>>>>>                 this ordinance - or some of us may agree - but the
>>>>>                 reasons given for it at the Urbana City Council's
>>>>>                 "committee of the whole" meeting where this was
>>>>>                 debated were not crazy or rightwing.  People who
>>>>>                 live in neighborhoods, particularly poor
>>>>>                 neighborhoods, are often forced to live next to
>>>>>                 rental property where a great deal of dangerous,
>>>>>                 anti-social behavior occurs.  The police may be
>>>>>                 little help or may not be able to get convictions,
>>>>>                 or to get convictions to stick, or otherwise
>>>>>                 unable to abate the hazard.  If a landlord had
>>>>>                 toxic waste spilling out of a rental property into
>>>>>                 poor (or "middle class") neighbors' homes and/or
>>>>>                 yards, very few of us would object to the City or
>>>>>                 the Mayor trying to clean it up. If it was tenants
>>>>>                 who were dumping the waste, we would not object to
>>>>>                 the City demanding their expulsion.  But there are
>>>>>                 other kinds of hazrds, some of which most of us
>>>>>                 have never had to live next to. 
>>>>>
>>>>>                 We may or may not believe that these reasons
>>>>>                 justify this action.  We may feel that authorities
>>>>>                 are being given too much latitude in this
>>>>>                 particular version of an ordinance that *could* be
>>>>>                 justified if more limited.  These takes would be
>>>>>                 understandabe and reasonable.  But I fail to see
>>>>>                 how this action makes Laurel Prussing's
>>>>>                 credentials as a "progressive" somehow suspect. 
>>>>>                 Or that "she is getting worse, and worser, and
>>>>>                 worserer".  That seems to me throwing the baby out
>>>>>                 with the bath water.
>>>>>
>>>>>                 What am I missing here?
>>>>>
>>>>>                 I have disagreed with Laurel Prussing from time to
>>>>>                 time.  She was dead wrong on IRV, for example, and
>>>>>                 I said so in the News-Gazette and told her so on
>>>>>                 the phone.  She was wrong in her objections to the
>>>>>                 Resolution in Support of the Employee Free Choice
>>>>>                 Act most recently (although she didn't really try
>>>>>                 to block it in the end).  But in general I believe
>>>>>                 she has been a very good mayor, much better than
>>>>>                 any other mayor I believe I have ever personally
>>>>>                 experienced.  I don't say that lightly.  But she
>>>>>                 has taken courageous stands against, for example,
>>>>>                 drug testing City employees willy-nilly.  She was
>>>>>                 very public in her support for the citizens'
>>>>>                 police review board, established a commission to
>>>>>                 study it, allowed the grassroot to name the people
>>>>>                 who would serve on it, and worked to make it
>>>>>                 happen over months.  She caught a lot of flak for
>>>>>                 that and never flinched.  And so on.  She attended
>>>>>                 AWARE's postcards for peace event at the IMC, too
>>>>>                 - how many mayors would do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>                 Obviously this is not an exhaustive list.  It
>>>>>                 isn't meant to be.  Of course it is right and just
>>>>>                 to disagree with any politician or elected
>>>>>                 official anytime they're wrong, just as we should
>>>>>                 support them when they are right.  And we have the
>>>>>                 right to run against any politician or elected
>>>>>                 official as we see fit, for whatever reasons. 
>>>>>                 This is not about that.  I also understand that we
>>>>>                 get excited in the heat of conflict, over issues
>>>>>                 we feel strongly about.  Many of us have divergent
>>>>>                 views on a number of issues, and that's just
>>>>>                 fine.  But I had to say that I find this a
>>>>>                 mischaracterization of a generally very good
>>>>>                 mayor.  I would be dishonest if I did not.
>>>>>                  
>>>>>                 Ricky
>>>>>
>>>>>                 "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." -
>>>>>                 Maggie Kuhn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>                 ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>                 *From:* E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
>>>>>                 <mailto:ewj at pigs.ag>
>>>>>                 *To:* Randall Cotton <recotton at earthlink.net>
>>>>>                 <mailto:recotton at earthlink.net>
>>>>>                 *Cc:* peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
>>>>>                 <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
>>>>>                 *Sent:* Friday, January 2, 2009 8:47:20 PM
>>>>>                 *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: Nuisance
>>>>>                 Ordinance and Racism
>>>>>
>>>>>                 >>And Prussing is supposed to be progressive?
>>>>>
>>>>>                 She IS progressive.  She gets worse, and worser,
>>>>>                 and worserer.
>>>>
>
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