[Peace-discuss] no green light?

[Morton K. Brussel]

To me the speech was a hodgepodge of inconsistencies. On the one hand  
Obama spoke of peace and understanding and tolerance--although I  
didn't hear the word "justice". On the other he spoke of our nasty  
enemies and the wars we are in, that had to be won. Every time I heard  
that, I bristled, and still am. As if he didn't understand what has  
been largely instrumental in the wars we are in, and have caused, our  
imperial efforts in the world.
--mkb

On Jan 20, 2009, at 3:24 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

> And whose support they most fulsomely have, as we know from the  
> AIPAC speech (unless he was lying).
>
> Th (fifth) Lebanese invasion was unpopular insofar as it wasn't the  
> walkover that the Israeli public expected. Unless Gaza can be seen  
> as a success, with few casualties, Likud will win next month.
>
> I hope you all aren't grasping at straws, but I think you are.
>
> Obama's speech today was appallingly warlike. I don't think Israel  
> has to worry about his support for their crimes.  --CGE
>
>
> Stuart Levy wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:06:49AM -0600, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>> *Israel followed a similar schedule in its withdrawal from Lebanon  
>>> -- in the midst of the last administration.
>> Hmm, though remember that Israel's Lebanon bombardment had become
>> widely unpopular at home by the time they withdrew -- it was seen
>> as a major military failure.  The Gaza invasion seems to be still
>> highly popular in Israel, despite some internal and many external  
>> protests.
>> They could easily have stayed longer and done more damage.
>> I agree with Randall -- the timing of Israel's agreeing to a  
>> ceasefire
>> is not a coincidence.   It really might relate to Israel being  
>> cautious
>> about pursuing a universally condemned war at the time of  
>> inauguration
>> of a president whose support they want.
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