[Peace-discuss] no green light?

[Morton K. Brussel]

I'm not about to argue with you Jennifer. You can find hope in the  
speech, no doubt, but I'm looking for policies and actions. Having  
seen (in the Financial Times of all places) an incredibly moving  
pathetic photo of a Palestinian child' s face with a tear in her eye,  
against a background of utter destruction, I wanted more, much more.

--Mort

On Jan 20, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:

> Agree with you, Mort... but I heard some reassuring things, too:  
> Obama also said (in this order) "Christians and Muslims, Jews and  
> Hindus... and non-believers..."  Pretty much described the country  
> as in the crapper, thanks to Bush (implied) whom he thanked (but did  
> NOT praise) for his service to country... Mentioned the MANY things  
> to be fixed, ie  reinstatement of science, schools, oversight of  
> financial institutions. A little unnerving to hear him say he'd get  
> rid of gov't programs that don't work (need to keep an eye out  
> there)...
>
> Best of all, he never repeated Hillary's "Smart Power," which sounds  
> like slogan from a Tide commercial, and which I hope I never, ever,  
> ever hear again...
>  --Jenifer
>
> --- On Tue, 1/20/09, Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:
> From: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] no green light?
> To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
> Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net, "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu 
> >, "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net>
> Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 5:09 PM
>
> To me the speech was a hodgepodge of inconsistencies. On the one  
> hand Obama
> spoke of peace and understanding and tolerance--although I didn't  
> hear the
> word "justice". On the other he spoke of our nasty enemies and the
> wars we are in, that had to be won. Every time I heard that, I  
> bristled, and
> still am. As if he didn't understand what has been largely  
> instrumental in
> the wars we are in, and have caused, our imperial efforts in the  
> world.
> --mkb
>
> On Jan 20, 2009, at 3:24 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
> > And whose support they most fulsomely have, as we know from the  
> AIPAC
> speech (unless he was lying).
> >
> > Th (fifth) Lebanese invasion was unpopular insofar as it wasn't the
> walkover that the Israeli public expected. Unless Gaza can be seen  
> as a success,
> with few casualties, Likud will win next month.
> >
> > I hope you all aren't grasping at straws, but I think you are.
> >
> > Obama's speech today was appallingly warlike. I don't think Israel
> has to worry about his support for their crimes.  --CGE
> >
> >
> > Stuart Levy wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:06:49AM -0600, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> >>> *Israel followed a similar schedule in its withdrawal from Lebanon
> -- in the midst of the last administration.
> >> Hmm, though remember that Israel's Lebanon bombardment had become
> >> widely unpopular at home by the time they withdrew -- it was seen
> >> as a major military failure.  The Gaza invasion seems to be still
> >> highly popular in Israel, despite some internal and many external
> protests.
> >> They could easily have stayed longer and done more damage.
> >> I agree with Randall -- the timing of Israel's agreeing to a
> ceasefire
> >> is not a coincidence.   It really might relate to Israel being
> cautious
> >> about pursuing a universally condemned war at the time of  
> inauguration
> >> of a president whose support they want.
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