[Peace-discuss] no green light?

[Jenifer Cartwright]

As I said, I agree with you, Mort. I also noted a lot of rah rah military stuff from both Obama and his wife -- and you and I have already agreed that the only troops we support is those who are refusing to serve. No, it definitely isn't perfect. But I take it as a good sign that he not only mentioned muslims, but that he mentioned them BEORE he mentioned jews. I'm cynical, tho' hopeful that things (war and peace in general and in ME in particular) will be better, maybe even better than I dare to hope.
 --Jenifer


--- On Wed, 1/21/09, Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:

From: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] no green light?
To: jencart13 at yahoo.com
Cc: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>, peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net, "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>, "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink..net>
Date: Wednesday, January 21, 2009, 10:55 AM


I'm not about to argue with you Jennifer. You can find hope in the speech, no doubt, but I'm looking for policies and actions. Having seen (in the Financial Times of all places) an incredibly moving pathetic photo of a Palestinian child' s face with a tear in her eye, against a background of utter destruction, I wanted more, much more.


--Mort
 


On Jan 20, 2009, at 10:56 PM, Jenifer Cartwright wrote:






Agree with you, Mort... but I heard some reassuring things, too: Obama also said (in this order) "Christians and Muslims, Jews and Hindus... and non-believers..."  Pretty much described the country as in the crapper, thanks to Bush (implied) whom he thanked (but did NOT praise) for his service to country... Mentioned the MANY things to be fixed, ie  reinstatement of science, schools, oversight of financial institutions. A little unnerving to hear him say he'd get rid of gov't programs that don't work (need to keep an eye out there)...  
 
Best of all, he never repeated Hillary's "Smart Power," which sounds like slogan from a Tide commercial, and which I hope I never, ever, ever hear again...
 --Jenifer 

--- On Tue, 1/20/09, Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu> wrote:

From: Morton K. Brussel <brussel at illinois.edu>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] no green light?
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
Cc: peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net, "Stuart Levy" <slevy at ncsa.uiuc.edu>, "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net>
Date: Tuesday, January 20, 2009, 5:09 PM

To me the speech was a hodgepodge of inconsistencies. On the one hand Obama
spoke of peace and understanding and tolerance--although I didn't hear the
word "justice". On the other he spoke of our nasty enemies and the
wars we are in, that had to be won. Every time I heard that, I bristled, and
still am. As if he didn't understand what has been largely instrumental in
the wars we are in, and have caused, our imperial efforts in the world.
--mkb

On Jan 20, 2009, at 3:24 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

> And whose support they most fulsomely have, as we know from the AIPAC
speech (unless he was lying).
> 
> Th (fifth) Lebanese invasion was unpopular insofar as it wasn't the
walkover that the Israeli public expected. Unless Gaza can be seen as a success,
with few casualties, Likud will win next month.
> 
> I hope you all aren't grasping at straws, but I think you are.
> 
> Obama's speech today was appallingly warlike. I don't think Israel
has to worry about his support for their crimes.  --CGE
> 
> 
> Stuart Levy wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 11:06:49AM -0600, C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>>> *Israel followed a similar schedule in its withdrawal from Lebanon
-- in the midst of the last administration.
>> Hmm, though remember that Israel's Lebanon bombardment had become
>> widely unpopular at home by the time they withdrew -- it was seen
>> as a major military failure.  The Gaza invasion seems to be still
>> highly popular in Israel, despite some internal and many external
protests.
>> They could easily have stayed longer and done more damage.
>> I agree with Randall -- the timing of Israel's agreeing to a
ceasefire
>> is not a coincidence.   It really might relate to Israel being
cautious
>> about pursuing a universally condemned war at the time of inauguration
>> of a president whose support they want.
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