[Peace-discuss] Questions for Wayne

[E. Wayne Johnson]

The first thing that is needed is an overturning of Roe v. Wade 
nationally so that local communities, cities, counties and states can 
ban abortions if they want to.

Some of the pro-life activists have been going about the whole thing 
wrong because they have wanted to push for a national right to life 
amendment.  It's already in the Declaration as a natural right.  The 
only matter is what the dissenting opinion in Roe v. Wade said, which is 
if the unborn has rights as an individual.  That is the first step in 
making abortion less likely.  There are actually millions of people in 
the US who want the blood of those innocents off of their hands.

The questions you bring up are related to personal concerns that lead 
people to despair and need to be addressed at their roots in
other contexts.  However, despair is no excuse for killing the innocent.

unionyes wrote:
> O.K. Wayne,
>
> Then are you willing to support the necessary support structures that 
> will make abortion less likely ?
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> Like ; universal single payer national healthcare for EVERYONE living 
> in the U.S. ( expansion of the current medicare program ),
> 100 % payed ; pre-school, after school daycare, and university 
> education ,
> a $ 15.00 per hour nation-wide minimum wage in conjunction with a 
> minimum income assistance, guaranting that NO One is without food, 
> shelter, clothing, medicine, education ?
>
> David Johnson
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag>
> To: "Ron Szoke" <r-szoke at illinois.edu>
> Cc: "peace discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>; "C. G. 
> Estabrook" <galliher at uiuc.edu>
> Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2009 10:19 PM
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Questions for Wayne
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>> Q1:  "The coercive power of the State" is exercised here to uphold 
>> the rule of law
>> in protecting the life of the unborn.
>>
>> - I would suggest punishment for the "physician" equal to that 
>> punishment
>> rendered when any medical person deliberately and knowingly and 
>> willfully
>> by direct application of the medical arts causes the death of a 
>> patient under his charge.
>> It should be sufficient to end the practice of abortion.
>>
>> Libertarian writer Murray Rothbard did not believe that the power of 
>> the state extended to the
>> woman's body in the case of abortion, but I disagree with his 
>> interpretation of the situation.
>> There is another individual with exactly equal natural rights when 
>> there is a pregnancy.
>> It then becomes clear that this is an individual whose right to life 
>> must be protected,
>> and securing that right to life for the innocent is a valid and 
>> essential purpose of government.
>>
>> It is wrong to forcibly take away the life of the unborn child, 
>> whether it be by trauma, surgery,
>> poisoning, or by modifying the maternal environment through drugs, 
>> surgery, acupuncture, or
>> other interventions.
>>
>> I suggest only mercy for the mother who is another victim in the crime.
>>
>>
>> Ron Szoke wrote:
>>> None of this seems appropriate for this list.  Anyway . . .
>>>
>>> Some questions for Wayne :
>>>
>>> 1.  How far are you willing to go in using the coercive power of the 
>>> State in criminalizing & punishing the actions of women & physicians 
>>> in obtaining & providing abortions?  --  Public service, shaming & 
>>> humiliation?   Small fines?  Large fines?  Jailing for a 
>>> misdemeanor? Incarceration for a felony?  Death penalty?
>>>
>>> True or false?
>>>
>>> 2.a.  One good parent, whether gay or straight, is better for 
>>> children than two bad parents, whether gay or straight.
>>> 2.b.  Two good parents, whether gay or straight, are better for 
>>> children than one good parent, whether gay or straight.
>>>
>>> -- Ron
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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