[Peace-discuss] Obama gets another one right

[Jenifer Cartwright]

Wayne, Wayne, Wayne. Talk about mixing apples and oranges, falacious arguments, guilt by association, and Alice in Wonderland reasoning (saying a thing means what you say it means). I can't reason w/ you, because you use false premises to prove yr points and ultimately, nothing you say makes any sense! I'm done contributing to this thread, and hope that at some point some of yr thinking gets straightened out!
 --Jenifer  

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Obama gets another one right
To: "Bob Illyes" <illyes at uiuc.edu>
Cc: loriserb at loriserb.info, peace-discuss at anti-war.net
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 3:26 PM

As I recall, we got into this via a celebration of Obama "Getting it
Right".

'Twas not I who brought up the issue of Homosexuality but I did offer my
opinion
once it was broached.  I think it was the rearing of children by homosexuals
which I
responded to, as that is definitely a case of the effect of adult behaviour
negatively impacting children.
Since the state is involved in legal adoptions, I would not favour the
placement of adopted children
or foster children into homosexual environments, nor into single parent homes,
recognizing that
some people I consider to be friends will disagree on this point. 
There are others, potentially enemies of the US, who view this society as
decadent and they
do seek to condemn and threaten this society and thus provide stimulus to our
warmongers.  I did not suggest
any particular action against homosexuals.  Finding the cause and treating the
problem at its
roots seems desirable as an option.  Some people in our society have even
suggested capital punishment. I did not.  I do want to see a halt to the
recruitment and promotion of homosexuality.
While I think that law is rather incapable of inducing morality, I don't
think immorality should be celebrated.

We don't celebrate political corruption or theft or warmongering as
acceptable behaviours.
Homosexuality is likewise immoral and it is in the same class of pathologic
sexual behaviour as
adultery,  rape, and child molestation.  Some aberrent sexual behaviours
include a component of
violence and some do not.  It does contribute to the destructuring of the
society.

Dr. King whom we celebrated last week, also taught that Reality hinges on Moral
Foundations.
I don't think that we can achieve full potential as a society if we embrace
and promote immoral
behaviours.  There is a general negative effect on the non-participants.

I would not agree that the practice of a homosexual lifestyle is a private
matter because
it is becoming pervasive and widely advertised as a reasonable alternative
option to a heterosexual
lifestyle.

Bob Illyes wrote:
> Mort wrote "Indeed, I wish and recommend that discussions of
God's immanence, how "we" are a Christian country, and why
women's ability to decide their own lives should be forbidden are
inappropriate for a peace-discuss list. (I wouldn't recommend Nazi
propaganda on the list either, but I suppose to some that would be
bigoted.)"
> 
> Indeed. Why strive for peace when we can have wars over sexuality and
religion, eh? This sort of thinking gave us the Spanish Inquisition, witch
burning, and the Holocaust. Why stop now?
> 
> Wayne commented regarding same-sex couples with children that he is
"amazed that this sort of sick stuff is going on so close by." WHAT???
> 
> Want to take this back, Wayne? Calling people you don't agree with
"sick" is really out of line.
> 
> I agree with Lori's "Amen, Mort".
> 
> Bob
> 
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