[Peace-discuss] Obama gets another one right

[C. G. Estabrook]

In summary, there are two questions:
	
1. What is it to be human?  It's to have a future like ours.

2. Why is ending a human life wrong?  Ending a human life is a bad thing because 
it deprives the victim of all the experiences, activities, enjoyments, projects 
that would make up their future personal life. --CGE


Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> Carl, I think it's a ridiculous analogy, but I'll go along w/ it long enuff 
> to say that if YOU were a woman who thinks there's no difference between 
> having an abortion and killing a Gazan (or any other human being already 
> living on the planet) then you probably wouldn't choose to have an abortion 
> (unless of course you had no compunctions about killing (certain) human 
> beings already living on the planet and just plain didn't believe in 
> abortion).
> 
> I won't be continuing this thread w/ you, as I think we've exhausted the 
> subject (tho' you may not agree and may choose to continue the discussion on 
> yr own). --Jenifer
> 
> --- On *Mon, 1/26/09, C. G. Estabrook /<galliher at uiuc.edu>/* wrote:
> 
> From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Obama 
> gets another one right To: jencart13 at yahoo.com Cc: "Peace-discuss" 
> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 4:26 PM
> 
> One could just as reasonably argue that killing a Gazan is not "ending a 
> human life" unless of course you think it is, in which case, you have the 
> choice not to kill the Gazan, which eventually will (probably) result in a 
> living Gazan...
> 
> Before and after birth, it's clearly the same life.  Why does being born (in 
> whatever fashion) magically bestow humanity on that life?  --CGE
> 
> Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>> HELLO... a woman ends a pregnancy because she doesn't wish to produce
> a baby!!
>> 
>> News flash: A fertilized egg/embryo/fetus is NOT a baby. Having an
> abortion
>> is not "ending a human life" unless of course you think it is,
> in which case,
>> you have the choice not to end the pregnancy, which eventually will 
>> (probably) result in yr producing a baby. --Jenifer
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- On *Mon, 1/26/09, C. G. Estabrook /<galliher at uiuc.edu>/* wrote:
>> 
>> From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu> Subject: Re:
> [Peace-discuss] Obama
>> gets another one right To: jencart13 at yahoo.com Cc: "John W." 
>> <jbw292002 at gmail.com>, "E. Wayne Johnson"
> <ewj at pigs.ag>, "Peace-discuss"
>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 3:18 PM
>> 
>> For people who didn't want to have a baby, wouldn't adoption be
> better than
>> ending a human life? --CGE
>> 
>> 
>> Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>>> Thanks, Wayne, NOW I get why there's no such thing as separation
> and
>> divorce!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Seriously, tho'... the women I know who've had abortions
>> weren't "pressured
>>> by society." They didn't want to continue a pregnancy because
>> they didn't
>>> want to have a baby, which is what happens after 9 months of pregnancy
> if
>> you
>>> or nature doesn't abort the foetus.
>>> 
>>> And please get off yr computer and take a look around: the
> alternatives to man-woman-children abound these days... and tho' single moms,
>  singles
>> dads,
>>> kids raised by non-parental family members, group homes, foster homes,
> recombined families, etc etc aren't The Cosbys or The Brady Bunch,
>> it's where
>>> children are growing up these days.
>>> 
>>> And yes, of course two happy parents ARE better than one. Does it
> really
>> matter to you if a kid is being raised by two loving dads or by two loving
>>> moms? And if so, why? It could be argued that God (even yours!) must
>> really
>>> love homosexuals... because he's made so many of them. --Jenifer
>>> 
>>> --- On *Mon, 1/26/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>>> 
>>> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> Subject: Re:
> [Peace-discuss]
>> Obama gets
>>> another one right To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
> Cc:
>> "Peace-discuss"
>>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Date: Monday, January 26, 2009,
> 1:22 PM
>>> 
>>> The attitude is certainly one of love and acceptance and mercy toward
> the women who have been pressured into an abortion by society.
>>> 
>>> Not so for the physicians who perform the execution, although many
> perhaps most of them do it ignorantly.
>>> 
>>> Lots of us have suffered various things.
>>> 
>>> The family of a man-woman-children has a lot going for it as compared
> to
>> the
>>> alternatives.
>>> 
>>> * Two are better than one, Because they have a good reward for their
>> labor. For if they fall, one will lift up his companion. But woe to him
> who
>> is alone
>>> when he falls, For he has no one to help him up. Again, if two lie
> down together, they will keep warm; But how can one be warm alone? Though one
> 
> 
>> may
>>> be overpowered by another, two can withstand him. And a threefold cord
> is
>> not
>>> quickly broken.
>>>