[Peace-discuss] Obama gets another one right

[Jenifer Cartwright]

Carl,
I think it's a ridiculous analogy, but I'll go along w/ it long enuff to say that if YOU were a woman who thinks there's no difference between having an abortion and killing a Gazan (or any other human being already living on the planet) then you probably wouldn't choose to have an abortion (unless of course you had no compunctions about killing (certain) human beings already living on the planet and just plain didn't believe in abortion). 
 
I won't be continuing this thread w/ you, as I think we've exhausted the subject (tho' you may not agree and may choose to continue the discussion on yr own).
 --Jenifer

--- On Mon, 1/26/09, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu> wrote:

From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Obama gets another one right
To: jencart13 at yahoo.com
Cc: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 4:26 PM

One could just as reasonably argue that killing a Gazan is not "ending a
human life" unless of course you think it is, in which case, you have the
choice not to kill the Gazan, which eventually will (probably) result in a
living Gazan...

Before and after birth, it's clearly the same life.  Why does being born
(in whatever fashion) magically bestow humanity on that life?  --CGE

Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
> HELLO... a woman ends a pregnancy because she doesn't wish to produce
a baby!!
> 
> News flash: A fertilized egg/embryo/fetus is NOT a baby. Having an
abortion
> is not "ending a human life" unless of course you think it is,
in which case,
> you have the choice not to end the pregnancy, which eventually will
> (probably) result in yr producing a baby. --Jenifer
> 
> 
> 
> --- On *Mon, 1/26/09, C. G. Estabrook /<galliher at uiuc.edu>/* wrote:
> 
> From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu> Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss] Obama
> gets another one right To: jencart13 at yahoo.com Cc: "John W."
> <jbw292002 at gmail.com>, "E. Wayne Johnson"
<ewj at pigs.ag>, "Peace-discuss"
> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Date: Monday, January 26, 2009, 3:18 PM
> 
> For people who didn't want to have a baby, wouldn't adoption be
better than
> ending a human life? --CGE
> 
> 
> Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>> Thanks, Wayne, NOW I get why there's no such thing as separation
and
> divorce!
>> 
>> 
>> Seriously, tho'... the women I know who've had abortions
> weren't "pressured
>> by society." They didn't want to continue a pregnancy because
> they didn't
>> want to have a baby, which is what happens after 9 months of pregnancy
if
> you
>> or nature doesn't abort the foetus.
>> 
>> And please get off yr computer and take a look around: the
alternatives to man-woman-children abound these days... and tho' single
moms, singles
> dads,
>> kids raised by non-parental family members, group homes, foster homes,
recombined families, etc etc aren't The Cosbys or The Brady Bunch,
> it's where
>> children are growing up these days.
>> 
>> And yes, of course two happy parents ARE better than one. Does it
really
> matter to you if a kid is being raised by two loving dads or by two loving
>> moms? And if so, why? It could be argued that God (even yours!) must
> really
>> love homosexuals... because he's made so many of them. --Jenifer
>> 
>> --- On *Mon, 1/26/09, E. Wayne Johnson /<ewj at pigs.ag>/* wrote:
>> 
>> From: E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> Subject: Re:
[Peace-discuss]
> Obama gets
>> another one right To: "John W." <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
Cc:
> "Peace-discuss"
>> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> Date: Monday, January 26, 2009,
1:22 PM
>> 
>> The attitude is certainly one of love and acceptance and mercy toward
the women who have been pressured into an abortion by society.
>> 
>> Not so for the physicians who perform the execution, although many
perhaps most of them do it ignorantly.
>> 
>> Lots of us have suffered various things.
>> 
>> The family of a man-woman-children has a lot going for it as compared
to
> the
>> alternatives.
>> 
>> * Two are better than one, Because they have a good reward for their
> labor. For if they fall, one will lift up his companion. But woe to him
who
> is alone
>> when he falls, For he has no one to help him up. Again, if two lie
down together, they will keep warm; But how can one be warm alone? Though one
> may
>> be overpowered by another, two can withstand him. And a threefold cord
is
> not
>> quickly broken.
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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