[Peace-discuss] Sous les pavés, la plage?

[E. Wayne Johnson]

Don't expect anyone out in the streets in the US of A until about 
mid-March. 
It's just too dang cold for 24/7 rioting and much too slippery for the 
gainful fleeing
from paramilitaries.

American roast bellum is always served /au "jus".  /

I don't expect that the phasers will always be set on "stun".  It might 
not be all that pretty. 
I am imagining it hard to breathe out one's anger through a large 
perforating chest wound.

The abstract sometimes answers my questions but often I have to get the 
whole paper and read the
materials and methods. 

C. G. Estabrook wrote:
> Difficult question.  The first premier of the People's Republic of 
> China in the 1950s, Zhou Enlai, when asked his opinion of the 1789 
> French Revolution, is supposed to have said, "It's too soon to tell."
>
> I think the traditional Just War theory (jus ad bellum, jus in bello: 
> see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war>) is correct, understood to 
> mean that an oppressed or invaded people may take up arms under some 
> conditions. (But, e.g., the US demand for unconditional surrender in 
> WWII was clearly unjust.)
>
> I doubt your question can be answered in the abstract.  As a practical 
> matter, in dealing with angry people in the streets, unless overcome 
> by hypocrisy I would hope to have belonged to the anti-war party in 
> Boston in 1775, in Paris in 1789 (at least to the extent Tom Paine 
> was), in Washington in 1860, etc.
>
> The only congressional representative to vote against US entry into 
> both World War I and World War II, Jeannette Rankin (1880-1973) of 
> Montana, asked at the end of her life if she had any regrets, said, "I 
> wish I'd been nastier." She meant in opposition to war, and that may 
> imply that angry people should be in the streets. --CGE
>
>
> John W. wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:53 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu 
>> <mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> [A topic discussed on tonight's News from Neptune/TV Ed. (ch. 6 at 
>> 7pm and
>> soon online) but few other places in US media. I was in Latvia 
>> several years
>> ago, and what's described here is hard to imagine. --CGE]
>>
>>
>> What's your opinion of the EFFICACY of angry people in the streets, 
>> Carl?
>> Historically, does this type of protest, more often than not, lead to
>> positive change for ordinary people?  Or is it just a venting of 
>> (certainly
>> in some cases legitimate) emotion, which could just as easily lead to 
>> civil
>> war and genocide?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Governments across Europe tremble as angry people take to the streets 
>> Ian
>> Traynor, Europe editor The Guardian, Saturday 31 January 2009
>>
>> France paralysed by a wave of strike action, the boulevards of Paris 
>> resembling a debris-strewn battlefield. The Hungarian currency sinks 
>> to its
>> lowest level ever against the euro, as the unemployment figure rises. 
>> Greek
>> farmers block the road into Bulgaria in protest at low prices for their
>> produce. New figures from the biggest bank in the Baltic show that the 
>> three
>> post-Soviet states there face the biggest recessions in Europe.
>>
>> It's a snapshot of a single day – yesterday – in a Europe sinking 
>> into the
>> bleakest of times. But while the outlook may be dark in the big wealthy
>> democracies of western Europe, it is in the young, poor, vulnerable 
>> states of
>> central and eastern Europe that the trauma of crash, slump and 
>> meltdown looks
>> graver.
>> ...
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