[Peace-discuss] Sous les pavés, la plage?

[C. G. Estabrook]

That's the reason US universities redid their standard schedules ca. 1970.
Before then commencement was in June; now it's generally early May: less
campaigning time in the warmer weather.

Principle of Universality: what's jus for the goose...

The answer's not in the abstract, because (as M. Python put it) the ambiguity is 
in a box:

      "The point is taken, the beast is moulting, the fluff gets up your nose. 
The illusion is complete; it is reality, the reality is illusion and the 
ambiguity is the only truth. But is the truth, as Hitchcock observes, in the 
box? No there isn't room, the ambiguity has put on weight. The point is taken, 
the elk is dead, the beast stops at Swindon, Chabrol stops at nothing, I'm 
having treatment and La Fontaine can get knotted."  --CGE


E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
> Don't expect anyone out in the streets in the US of A until about mid-March.
>  It's just too dang cold for 24/7 rioting and much too slippery for the 
> gainful fleeing from paramilitaries.
> 
> American roast bellum is always served /au "jus".  /
> 
> I don't expect that the phasers will always be set on "stun".  It might not
> be all that pretty. I am imagining it hard to breathe out one's anger through
> a large perforating chest wound.
> 
> The abstract sometimes answers my questions but often I have to get the whole
> paper and read the materials and methods.
> 
> C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>> Difficult question.  The first premier of the People's Republic of China in
>> the 1950s, Zhou Enlai, when asked his opinion of the 1789 French
>> Revolution, is supposed to have said, "It's too soon to tell."
>> 
>> I think the traditional Just War theory (jus ad bellum, jus in bello: see
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_war>) is correct, understood to mean
>> that an oppressed or invaded people may take up arms under some conditions.
>> (But, e.g., the US demand for unconditional surrender in WWII was clearly
>> unjust.)
>> 
>> I doubt your question can be answered in the abstract.  As a practical 
>> matter, in dealing with angry people in the streets, unless overcome by
>> hypocrisy I would hope to have belonged to the anti-war party in Boston in
>> 1775, in Paris in 1789 (at least to the extent Tom Paine was), in
>> Washington in 1860, etc.
>> 
>> The only congressional representative to vote against US entry into both
>> World War I and World War II, Jeannette Rankin (1880-1973) of Montana,
>> asked at the end of her life if she had any regrets, said, "I wish I'd been
>> nastier." She meant in opposition to war, and that may imply that angry
>> people should be in the streets. --CGE
>> 
>> 
>> John W. wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 8:53 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at uiuc.edu 
>>> <mailto:galliher at uiuc.edu>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> [A topic discussed on tonight's News from Neptune/TV Ed. (ch. 6 at 7pm
>>> and soon online) but few other places in US media. I was in Latvia 
>>> several years ago, and what's described here is hard to imagine. --CGE]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What's your opinion of the EFFICACY of angry people in the streets, Carl?
>>>  Historically, does this type of protest, more often than not, lead to 
>>> positive change for ordinary people?  Or is it just a venting of 
>>> (certainly in some cases legitimate) emotion, which could just as easily
>>> lead to civil war and genocide?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Governments across Europe tremble as angry people take to the streets Ian
>>>  Traynor, Europe editor The Guardian, Saturday 31 January 2009
>>> 
>>> France paralysed by a wave of strike action, the boulevards of Paris 
>>> resembling a debris-strewn battlefield. The Hungarian currency sinks to
>>> its lowest level ever against the euro, as the unemployment figure rises.
>>>  Greek farmers block the road into Bulgaria in protest at low prices for
>>> their produce. New figures from the biggest bank in the Baltic show that
>>> the three post-Soviet states there face the biggest recessions in Europe.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's a snapshot of a single day – yesterday – in a Europe sinking into
>>> the bleakest of times. But while the outlook may be dark in the big
>>> wealthy democracies of western Europe, it is in the young, poor,
>>> vulnerable states of central and eastern Europe that the trauma of crash,
>>> slump and meltdown looks graver. ...
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