[Peace-discuss] The Day They Arrested President Roosevelt

[C. G. Estabrook]

"Utterly moronic," John?  Sure, if one accepts craven capitulation to the US
ruling class and follows their instructions to despise the majority of one's
fellow citizens.  If, on the other hand, one wants to oppose the crimes of our
leaders -- and not just suck up to them -- we should be aware of what those
crimes are, and not accept them.

Had you been a German citizen in 1944, John, I'm sure you would have been a good 
little National Socialist, writing, "Wake me up when one of you figures out a 
better system of government, in terms of your ONE stupid binary criterion of 
war/not war."  Not-war would in fact have been then the better choice, as it is 
now. --CGE


John W. wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:baldwinricky at yahoo.com>> wrote:
> 
> Nice list (if 'nice' is the right word for an accounting of such heinous
> crimes).
> 
> We could go back further, of course - right to Washington, if I'm not
> mistaken.  Pretty close, anyway.
> 
> Ricky
> 
> "Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
> 
> 
> 
> To the point where it's utterly moronic to make such a list.  What's the 
> point, if every President we've ever had made decisions that led, directly or
> indirectly, to the instigation or escalation of some war? Wars are instigated
> by virtually every other nation and tribe and culture and people on earth as
> well.  The human race is insufferably brutal and selfish, and humans kill
> fellow humans every day to get what they want.  You yourself, gentle and
> precious reader, may not kill directly, but you very definitely consume the
> things and enjoy the lifestyle that war and brutality make possible, just
> like everyone else.  Wake me up the day one of you figures out how to
> eliminate human aggression and self-centeredness.  Until then, wake me up
> when one of you figures out a better system of government, in terms of your
> ONE stupid binary criterion of war/not war.
> 
> John Wason
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- On *Fri, 7/17/09, C. G. Estabrook /<galliher at illinois.edu 
> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>>/* wrote:
> 
> 
> From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> 
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Day They Arrested President Roosevelt To:
> naiman.uiuc at gmail.com <mailto:naiman.uiuc at gmail.com> Cc: "Peace-discuss List"
> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net <mailto:peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>> 
> Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:33 PM
> 
> 
> Of course, it might have been a good idea to arrest
> 
> --Truman before he bombed Japan; --Eisenhower before he overthrew the
> governments of Iran and Guatemala; --Kennedy before he invaded Cuba and South
> Vietnam; --Johnson before he attacked North Vietnam and the Dominican 
> Republic; --Nixon before he attacked Cambodia and domestic dissidents (e.g.,
> Fred Hampton, not G. McGovern); --Ford before he allowed the attack on  E.
> Timor; --Carter before he increased military aid to near-genocidal Indonesia;
>  --Reagan before he killed tens of thousands in LA and Lebanon; --Bush before
> he launched wars in Panama and the Gulf; --Clinton before he attacked Iraq
> and Serbia; --Bush jr. before he invaded Iraq --Obama before he devastated
> AfPak...
> 
> and perhaps even Roosevelt in 1937, before he manipulated an anti-war
> populace into war with Japan.
> 
> We might also have noticed that the Constitution nowhere gives the Supreme
> Court the right to overrule an act of Congress.
> 
> 
> Robert Naiman wrote:
>> 
>> What a dark day for American democracy it was - February 5,
> 1937, the day the
>> crisis over President Roosevelt's struggle with the Supreme
> Court's blocking
>> of the New Deal was "resolved" when Roosevelt was deported to
> Canada. How
>> might America be different today, if minimum wages, the
> National Labor
>> Relations Act, and Social Security had not been overturned by
> the Supreme
>> Court? Maybe 60% of our fellow citizens wouldn't still be
> living in poverty.
>> 
>> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/the-day-they-arrested-pre_b_237678.html
> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/17/112828/523
>> 
>> http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/265