[Peace-discuss] The Day They Arrested President Roosevelt

[Jenifer Cartwright]

WHY am I putting my 2c midway into one of the many threads going on this topic??
 
Can't argue w/ this posting from John W, tho' re the last sentence, feel the need to clarify and remind folks (probably preaching to the choir here) that there IS a HUGE distinction between political and economic systems: e g, democracy vs dictatorship as prime examples for the first; and e g socialism vs capitalism as examples for the second.
 --Jenifer 

--- On Fri, 7/17/09, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Day They Arrested President Roosevelt
To: "Ricky Baldwin" <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 7:14 PM




On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com> wrote:






Nice list (if 'nice' is the right word for an accounting of such heinous crimes).

We could go back further, of course - right to Washington, if I'm not mistaken.  Pretty close, anyway.

Ricky

"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn


To the point where it's utterly moronic to make such a list.  What's the point, if every President we've ever had made decisions that led, directly or indirectly, to the instigation or escalation of some war?  Wars are instigated by virtually every other nation and tribe and culture and people on earth as well.  The human race is insufferably brutal and selfish, and humans kill fellow humans every day to get what they want.  You yourself, gentle and precious reader, may not kill directly, but you very definitely consume the things and enjoy the lifestyle that war and brutality make possible, just like everyone else.  Wake me up the day one of you figures out how to eliminate human aggression and self-centeredness.  Until then, wake me up when one of you figures out a better system of government, in terms of your ONE stupid binary criterion of war/not war.

John Wason


 




--- On Fri, 7/17/09, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu> wrote:


From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Day They Arrested President Roosevelt
To: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com
Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:33 PM





Of course, it might have been a good idea to arrest

--Truman before he bombed Japan;
--Eisenhower before he overthrew the governments of Iran and Guatemala;
--Kennedy before he invaded Cuba and South Vietnam;
--Johnson before he attacked North Vietnam and the Dominican Republic;
--Nixon before he attacked Cambodia and domestic dissidents (e.g., Fred Hampton, not G. McGovern);
--Ford before he allowed the attack on  E. Timor;
--Carter before he increased military aid to near-genocidal Indonesia;
--Reagan before he killed tens of thousands in LA and Lebanon;
--Bush before he launched wars in Panama and the Gulf;
--Clinton before he attacked Iraq and Serbia;
--Bush jr. before he invaded Iraq
--Obama before he devastated AfPak...

and perhaps even Roosevelt in 1937, before he manipulated an anti-war populace into war with Japan.

We might also have noticed that the Constitution nowhere gives the Supreme Court the right to overrule an act of Congress.


Robert Naiman wrote:
> 
> What a dark day for American democracy it was - February 5, 1937, the day the
> crisis over President Roosevelt's struggle with the Supreme Court's blocking
> of the New Deal was "resolved" when Roosevelt was deported to Canada. How
> might America be different today, if minimum wages, the National Labor
> Relations Act, and Social Security had not been overturned by the Supreme
> Court? Maybe 60% of our fellow citizens wouldn't still be living in poverty.
> 
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/the-day-they-arrested-pre_b_237678.html
> 
> 
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/17/112828/523
> 
> http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/265

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