[Peace-discuss] The Day They Arrested President Roosevelt

[LAURIE SOLOMON]

Of course Jenifer, those HUGH distinctions that you refer to are mainly in
theory and concept but not necessarily in empirical actuality or practice.
When one gets down to concrete instances, one usually finds that the
distinctions that one picks out are based on individual interpretations,
preferences, values, and definitions which result in cherry picking and
exaggerating the significance of the differences and ignoring the
similarities - even where said distinctions do not actually exist except in
the eye and mind of the beholder.

 

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Cartwright
Sent: Sunday, July 19, 2009 1:10 PM
To: Ricky Baldwin; John W.
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Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Day They Arrested President Roosevelt

 


WHY am I putting my 2c midway into one of the many threads going on this
topic??

 

Can't argue w/ this posting from John W, tho' re the last sentence, feel the
need to clarify and remind folks (probably preaching to the choir here) that
there IS a HUGE distinction between political and economic systems: e g,
democracy vs dictatorship as prime examples for the first; and e g socialism
vs capitalism as examples for the second.

 --Jenifer 

--- On Fri, 7/17/09, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Day They Arrested President Roosevelt
To: "Ricky Baldwin" <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 7:14 PM

 

On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 5:52 PM, Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com
<http://us.mc449.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baldwinricky@yahoo.com> >
wrote:


Nice list (if 'nice' is the right word for an accounting of such heinous
crimes).

We could go back further, of course - right to Washington, if I'm not
mistaken.  Pretty close, anyway.

Ricky

"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn



To the point where it's utterly moronic to make such a list.  What's the
point, if every President we've ever had made decisions that led, directly
or indirectly, to the instigation or escalation of some war?  Wars are
instigated by virtually every other nation and tribe and culture and people
on earth as well.  The human race is insufferably brutal and selfish, and
humans kill fellow humans every day to get what they want.  You yourself,
gentle and precious reader, may not kill directly, but you very definitely
consume the things and enjoy the lifestyle that war and brutality make
possible, just like everyone else.  Wake me up the day one of you figures
out how to eliminate human aggression and self-centeredness.  Until then,
wake me up when one of you figures out a better system of government, in
terms of your ONE stupid binary criterion of war/not war.

John Wason


 


--- On Fri, 7/17/09, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu
<http://us.mc449.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=galliher@illinois.edu> >
wrote:


From: C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu
<http://us.mc449.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=galliher@illinois.edu> >
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] The Day They Arrested President Roosevelt
To: naiman.uiuc at gmail.com
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Cc: "Peace-discuss List" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net
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Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 2:33 PM 

 

Of course, it might have been a good idea to arrest

--Truman before he bombed Japan;
--Eisenhower before he overthrew the governments of Iran and Guatemala;
--Kennedy before he invaded Cuba and South Vietnam;
--Johnson before he attacked North Vietnam and the Dominican Republic;
--Nixon before he attacked Cambodia and domestic dissidents (e.g., Fred
Hampton, not G. McGovern);
--Ford before he allowed the attack on  E. Timor;
--Carter before he increased military aid to near-genocidal Indonesia;
--Reagan before he killed tens of thousands in LA and Lebanon;
--Bush before he launched wars in Panama and the Gulf;
--Clinton before he attacked Iraq and Serbia;
--Bush jr. before he invaded Iraq
--Obama before he devastated AfPak...

and perhaps even Roosevelt in 1937, before he manipulated an anti-war
populace into war with Japan.

We might also have noticed that the Constitution nowhere gives the Supreme
Court the right to overrule an act of Congress.


Robert Naiman wrote:
> 
> What a dark day for American democracy it was - February 5, 1937, the day
the
> crisis over President Roosevelt's struggle with the Supreme Court's
blocking
> of the New Deal was "resolved" when Roosevelt was deported to Canada. How
> might America be different today, if minimum wages, the National Labor
> Relations Act, and Social Security had not been overturned by the Supreme
> Court? Maybe 60% of our fellow citizens wouldn't still be living in
poverty.
> 
>
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-naiman/the-day-they-arrested-pre_b_2376
78.html
> 
> 
> http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/7/17/112828/523
> 
> http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/node/265

 


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