[Peace-discuss] Fw: CCHCC Annual Dinner & Adbook -- AWARE
C. G. Estabrook
galliher at illinois.edu
Fri Mar 27 11:40:05 CDT 2009
Abortion isn't a religious question (like resurrection) but a philosophical
question (like human equality). It doesn't become a religious question just
because some religious groups adopt a position on the matter.
You obviously don't think all ethical questions are religious, and there are
good philosophical arguments for the view that abortion is wrong. (See, e.g.,
http://www.bbc.co.uk/ethics/abortion/philosophical/future.shtml>.) --CGE
Morton K. Brussel wrote:
> This discussion will go nowhere. We've been through this before. At issue is
> a theological rigidity, rather like that espoused among the Taleban, that
> will not change. This Taleban has its headquarters in Rome. Witness the
> Pope's latest pronouncements about contraception. It all seems to be
> connected with the saving of souls. --mkb
>
>
> On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:43 PM, LAURIE SOLOMON wrote:
>
>> It should not be necessary to point out to someone as astute as Carl that
>> (a) no action is an action, (b) any action will impact on some positively
>> and on others negatively, and (c) supporting a woman's right to choice is
>> vastly different than supporting either the lack of any choice or the
>> enforcement of a choice that the participants were not participants in.
>> Thus, not to support CCHCC because of its stance in favor of Pro-Choice is
>> in effect serving to give defacto support to those who oppose Pro-Choice
>> which is in effect to defacto support Pro-Life stances. It is not a
>> neutral action.
>>
>> Furthermore, supporting the giving the woman the choice or a say in the
>> choice is not dictating the sort of choice that the woman has to make nor
>> is it banning the woman from the opportunity to make any choice at all as
>> would be the case of a Pro-life stance. Thus, I take it that AWARE opposes
>> giving people choices - especially the choose certain options that some
>> oppose on religious grounds and want to impose on everyone. The only
>> legitimate argument that could be made against the Pro-choice position is
>> that the unborn are not given the opportunity to participate in decisions
>> that will effect them. This is true enough; but it is also true with
>> respect to so many other things and choices in life that the unborn
>> (regardless of whether or not one wants to identify them as living human
>> beings or not) are not included in the decisions-making processes (even
>> many of us who have been born or even born again) are left out of the major
>> decision-making processes that decide things that will have significant
>> future impact on us. Who legitimately and officially represents the unborn
>> and their interests (present and future) with respect to environmental
>> policies, decisions, and actions that will be of consequence to the unborn
>> after they have been born? I think that this argument is in practical terms
>> a red herring.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net
>> [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G.
>> Estabrook Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 9:11 PM To: Randall Cotton Cc:
>> peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: CCHCC
>> Annual Dinner & Adbook -- AWARE
>>
>> The CCHCC website notes its "long track record of organizing for women's
>> reproductive rights" --
>> http://www.healthcareconsumers.org/index.php?action=Display%20Page&id=293
>>
>>
>> Randall Cotton wrote:
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "C. G. Estabrook"
>> <galliher at illinois.edu>
>>> To: "Randall Cotton" <recotton at earthlink.net> Cc:
>>> <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 11:24
>>> AM
>>
>>> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: CCHCC Annual Dinner & Adbook -- AWARE
>>>
>>>
>>> : CCHCC seems to do good work in pressing for medical care -- sadly made
>>> necessary : by the shameful record of Democrats: the administration
>> doesn't
>>> even back single : payer -- it supports insurance companies instead, just
>>>
>> as
>>> previous : administrations have done. : : If you followed the thread on
>>> abortion on peace-discuss some time ago, you know : that there are some
>>> of
>> us
>>> who think (as Feminists for Life put it) that abortion : is violence
>> against
>>> women -- "women deserve better than abortion." FFL :
>>> <www.feministsforlife.org> says that women should "refuse to choose";
>>> abortion : is proposed as a solution to social and economic problems. : :
>>>
>> I'm
>>> against things that impoverish and end human life -- war and capitalism
>>> --
>> :
>>> and abortion does that. I would oppose supporting organizations that
>> support
>>> it.
>>>
>>> How does CCHCC support abortion?
>>>
>>> : OTOH one might argue that supporting CCHCC is a bit far from AWARE's
>>> purpose. : The vigorous anti-war movement that existed at the beginning
>>> of the decade has : been erased by the workings of US politics. It would
>>>
>> seem
>>> important for us to : recognize how that was done. It's been a
>>> commonplace since Tom Frank's "What's : the Matter with Kansas?" that
>>> distraction and diversion has been a large part of : it. The abortion
>>> issue has added to
>> the
>>> distraction. --CGE
>>>
>>> CCHCC is also pressing hard for the full remediation of the toxic site of
>>>
>> the
>>> old coal gasification plant that has contaminated the area around 5th and
>>> Hill St., a poor, predominantly black area of town. I would argue that
>>> the long-standing toxic contamination is, in good part, a victimization
>>> based
>> on
>>> race. And we are the Anti-War *Anti-Racism* Effort.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, there are always tradeoffs in where we expend our
>> efforts
>>> and funds. Do we spend funds to oppose and increase awareness about how
>> our
>>> tax dollars are going toward killing women and children in Iraq,
>> Afghanistan,
>>> Pakistan and Palestine or direct them to help right a racist wrong to
>> improve
>>> the health (and possibly the lifespan) of victimized people in our local
>>> community.
>>>
>>> Not an easy question to weigh. R
>>>
>>> : Randall Cotton wrote: : > AWAREista's, please take note and think this
>> over
>>> - I plan to bring this up : > for consideration at Sunday's meeting,
>>> since we've done it in the (admittedly : > distant) past. R : > : > -----
>>>
>> Original
>>> Message ----- From: "Claudia Lennhoff" <claudia at shout.net> To: : >
>>> <recotton at earthlink.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 9:08 AM Subject:
>>>
>> : >
>>> CCHCC Annual Dinner & Adbook -- AWARE : > : > : > : Hi Randall, : : This
>> is
>>> Claudia Lennhoff from Champaign County Health Care : > Consumers. : I
>>> hope you're doing well. : : I wanted to check in with you : > about the
>>> possibility of AWARE taking : an ad in this year's CCHCC Dinner : >
>>> Adbook Program. AWARE has taken ads : in the past, but this year, we were
>>> : >
>> trying
>>> to contact Jan Kruse and : we couldn't get hold of her, and then : >
>> someone
>>> told me that she is no : longer the Treasurer for AWARE, so that's :
>>>> why
>>> I'm reaching out to you. : : If I need to be in touch with someone else,
>>> :
>>>
>>> please feel free to : direct me that way. Otherwise, if you can let me
>> know :
>>>> if y'all would : be willing to take an ad, that would be great. : :
>> Thanks
>>> : > and take care. : Claudia : ***************** : : : Dear Friend, : : I
>>> wanted : > to let you know that CCHCC's Annual Awards Dinner is :
>> scheduled
>>> for Friday, : > April 17, 2009 at the Hawthorn Suites in : Champaign. I
>> hope
>>> you will : > consider purchasing/donating a table, and : taking out an ad
>>>
>> in
>>> our Adbook : > Program for the Dinner. Below is : information on the
>> Dinner
>>> and the Adbook. : > : : DINNER: : - Dinner tickets are $40 each. : - A
>> table
>>> of 8 is $280. : - A : > table of 10 is $340. : : If you would like to
>>> purchase or contribute a table, : > you can reply to : me and let me
>>> know. Organizations that contribute tables : > are thanked : in the
>>> Adbook
>> Program,
>>> as well as in the introduction to the : > dinner, : and all tables that
>> are
>>> contributed are honorary tables and have a : > : sign on them listing the
>>> donor (for example, The Mary Louise White : Table, : > by CONTRIBUTOR).
>>> :
>> :
>>> ADBOOK: : Also, as part of the Annual Dinner : > celebration, we will be
>>> producing : CCHCC's Program Guide, or Adbook. Since : > our first Awards
>>> Dinner in : 1977, the Adbook has been an excellent : > opportunity for
>> local
>>> : businesses and organizations to connect directly to : > CCHCC
>> supporters. :
>>> : We distribute the Adbook at the Awards Dinner and at : > other
>> membership :
>>> events throughout the year. We also recognize : > participating :
>>> businesses, organizations and individuals in our newsletter : > that goes
>>>
>> :
>>> out to over 7,000 members, and on our website. : : Ad prices are : > as
>>> follows: : -- Gold page: (4.5w x 7.25h): $400 : -- Full page: : >
>>> (4.5w x 7.25h): $175 : -- Half page: (4.5w x 3.5h): $110 : -- :
>>> > Quarter page: (2.25w x 3.5h): $65 : : Creating the Ad: : You are
>> free :
>>>> to create the ad yourself and send it to us. It should : be at least
>>>> 300
>>> dpi : > resolution and saved as a .tiff file. You can : email it to me. :
>>>
>> :
>>> If you do : > not want to make the ad yourself, we are more than willing
>>> :
>> to
>>> create one : > for you. All you have to do is send me any text or :
>>> images you'd like in the : > ad and we'll send you a proof for your :
>>> approval. :
>> :
>>> Paying for the Ad: : : > You can mail a check to our office made out to
>>> "CCHCC" (see address below). : : > Or you can pay online via PayPal here:
>>>
>> : :
>>>> http://www.healthcareconsumers.org/index.php?action=Display%20Store : :
>>>>
>>> Then : > select the size ad that you would like. Layout and submission :
>>> instructions : > are detailed on the webpage where you select the size ad
>>>
>> :
>>> you want. : : : > Please let me know if you would like to reserve an ad.
>>> :
>> :
>>> If you have any : > questions or need more information, please feel free
>>> :
>> to
>>> contact me. : : : > Thank you for your support! : : Sincerely, : :
>>> Claudia
>> :
>>> : -- : : > ****************************************** : Claudia Lennhoff,
>>> Executive : > Director : Champaign County Health Care Consumers : 44 E.
>> Main
>>> Street, Suite : > 208 : Champaign, IL 61820 : : Phone: 217/352-6533, ext.
>>>
>> 11
>>> : Fax: : > 217/352-9745 : E-Mail: claudia at shout.net : : Web:
>>> www.healthcareconsumers.org : > :
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