[Peace-discuss] the stinkin' lincoln legacy

[LAURIE SOLOMON]

I agree and I did not think you were denying it.  I just do not think that
the 620,000 Civil War deaths were a Lincoln legacy as much as they were an
Amerikan legacy.  Wherever and whenever Americans go, they  seem to leave a
trail of death and destruction. That seems to be this countries legacy
independent of any given President or administration.  Go ask the native
Americans, the Mexicans, the Afro-Americans, the Puerto Ricans, the
Hawaiians, etc.  

 

From: E. Wayne Johnson [mailto:ewj at pigs.ag] 
Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 4:11 PM
To: LAURIE SOLOMON
Cc: 'John W.'; 'Peace-discuss'
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] the stinkin' lincoln legacy

 

Those who die (uselessly, needlessly, tragically) as a result of Americ(k)an
Imperialism
are a great cloud of witnesses against the warmongering.

I ain't denying that.


On 5/21/2009 1:44 PM, LAURIE SOLOMON wrote: 

To be rather crass about all this, I have to say "so what!"  The 620,000
from the Civil War plus whatever from all the other wars the Us has engaged
in is only a small number when compared to the number of lives lost by
others from other countries as a result of US wars.  If one holds that human
lives have value than it should make no difference if the lives  are
Amerikan or that of others brought to an end directly or indirectly because
of US actions. That external death toll also increases geometrically when
one adjusts for the increase in the world's population as compared to
increases in the US population.  

 

Thus, the 620,000 figure is significant only because it is Amerikan lives in
which both protagonists were Amerikan; but if we were to deduct the number
of Southerners who dies in the war from the total count and only included
the soldiers from the north who represented the US and not the Confederacy,
which technically at the time of the war was not part of the US because it
had seceded from the US, then the number of US citizens who dies in the
Civil War was far less than the 620,000.

 

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On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 10:37 AM, E. Wayne Johnson <ewj at pigs.ag> wrote:

Death toll from "Lincoln's War"

"The number that is most often quoted is 620,000.
At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other
wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam."

Adjusted for today's US population, the number would be over 6 million.


I'm curious what you would have done as President in 1861, Wayne.  Simply
let the South secede? 

 

 

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