[Peace-discuss] July 4th float -- okay, seriously...

Sun May 24 10:56:25 CDT 2009

Just to note that Wikipedia seems to have been rated as just as  
reliable for information as the Encyclopedia Brittanica (by some  
reliable study (NYT?)? whose name now escapes me).  --mkb

On May 24, 2009, at 2:06 AM, LAURIE SOLOMON wrote:

> Hmmm!  It appears that Wikipedia has now assumed the status of being  
> the encyclopedia of record, replacing the Encyclopedia Britannica.  
> Next, I assume it will become the reference of record replacing the  
> New York Times as the newspaper of record and all those many history  
> books and academic journals and treatises which academics write to  
> justify their existence and libraries keep on their reference  
> shelves for the same reason.
>
> Maybe we should Google Wikipedia and ask it what the theme of our  
> float should be; surely it will have some advice as to what anti-war  
> and anti-racism groups should do in terms of a float for a 4th of  
> July parade with the designated theme we have been given that will  
> win the day and converts without putting off the very people we seek  
> to recruit to our position and cause. J  Of course, we could always  
> raise the following question as a question : if Lincoln did not  
> exist, what white guy would Obama model himself after and would that  
> guy be a member of the contemporary  Republican Party?
>
> From: peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net [mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net 
> ] On Behalf Of Jenifer Cartwright
> Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2009 12:55 AM
> To: E. Wayne Johnson; Ron Szoke
> Cc: Peace-discuss
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] July 4th float -- okay, seriously...
>
> Lincoln on Race and Slavery puts things into perspective -- and  
> gives Lincoln points for misinterpreting Jefferson's words (all men  
> created equal, etc) in the Declaration of Independence. Thanks for  
> sending the review, Ron.
>
> Here's Wikipedia on Lincoln. Indisputable that Lincoln -- tho' far  
> from perfect -- was nevertheless a remarkable man who successfully  
> dealt with unimaginable challenges during his life -- surely the  
> worst of any president in our nation’s history -- and acquited  
> himself well. Born into poverty and self-educated -- only 18 months  
> of formal schooling. Personal losses and tragedy thruout his life  
> didn't defeat him... Surely there's lots of positive stuff here even  
> for AWARE to choose from???
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln
>  --Jenifer
>
> --- On Sat, 5/23/09, Ron Szoke <r-szoke at illinois.edu> wrote:
>
> From: Ron Szoke <r-szoke at illinois.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] July 4th float -- okay, seriously...
> To: "E. Wayne Johnson" <ewj at pigs.ag>
> Cc: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:01 PM
> Excerpt from review of recent Lincoln/racism book:
>
> NY Review of Books
> Volume 56, Number 10 · June 11, 2009
> Lincoln's Black History
>
> By Garry Wills
>
> Lincoln on Race and Slavery
> edited and with an introduction by Henry Louis Gates Jr., and  
> coedited by
> Donald Yacovone
> Princeton University Press, 343 pp., $24.95
>
> Abraham Lincoln was born into a racist family, in a racist region of  
> our country,
> during a racist era of our history. It would have been amazing if he  
> had not
> begun his life as a racist. Piety toward his memory suppressed that  
> fact for
> generations. Most of us wanted Lincoln to be free of racism, and we  
> read the
> evidence to arrive at that conclusion. No one wanted that more than  
> blacks.
> Henry Louis Gates, the Harvard professor, notes that blacks—from  
> Booker T.
> Washington to Ralph Ellison—did even more than whites to enshrine  
> Lincoln as
> "the American philosopher-king and patron saint of race relations."  
> Gates
> writes of himself (born 1950), "Like most African Americans of my  
> generation, I
> was raised to believe that Lincoln hated slavery because he loved  
> the slaves.."
> Black freedmen raised $17,000 for the 1876 statue of Lincoln freeing  
> the slaves
> that stands in Lincoln Park, Washington.
> .   .   .
>
> See:  http://www.nybooks.com/articles/22750
>
> Something honoring Frederick Douglas would seem another possibility in
> harmony with the "legacy of Lincoln" theme.
>
> -- Ron
>
>
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