[Peace-discuss] president's speech on afghanistan - emergency response...

[C. G. Estabrook]

"Restraint" is the liberal position: as Chomsky points out, if the Nuremberg
principles (which the US et al. used to execute Nazis) were actually applied,
all post-war US presidents would have to have been hanged, because they all
committed the "supreme international crimes" defined at Nuremberg.

You can look it up...  --CGE


E. Wayne Johnson wrote:
> Presidential Restraint is something that is done as they lead him away.
> 
> On 11/11/2009 9:32 PM, Karen Medina wrote:
>>> won't get his 40,000 troops but only, say 10,000 -- and maybe only
>>> trainers? Would we be seen as applauding presidential restraint?
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Short of withdrawal, I am in favor of rallying.
>> 
>> 10,000 trainers. As if our military had an answer. And if they had an
>> answer, as if our military could train without knowing the language and the
>> culture. And if they knew the languages and the cultures, as if there were 
>> people to train. ... As if!
>> 
>> As if the problem was in Afghanistan. As if the problem was isolated. As if
>> the problem was contained or containable. As if the problem had a beginning
>> . As if the problem was identified and spoken honestly of. As if.
>> 
>> -karen medina
>> 
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:17 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> A good idea -- but what do we do if the administration chooses one of the
>>> "four options" (from its present propaganda blitz) that would say
>>> McChrystal
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Tim Johnson seems to be committed to a demand for withdrawal, and I would
>>>  presume would continue to be so, regardless of what Obama does, short of
>>>  withdrawal.  That would seem to me to be the basis on which to organize
>>> a rally.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Robert Naiman wrote:
>>> 
>>>> press speculation would suggest better than even odds that sometime in 
>>>> November, the President will give a speech announcing that he intends 
>>>> to send tens of thousands of more troops to Afghanistan in 2010.
>>>> 
>>>> I propose to spread around in advance the idea that there will be a
>>>> demonstration at the Vets Memorial in Urbana at 5pm the day of the 
>>>> president's speech.
>>>> 
>>>> the idea of 5pm the day of the speech is to try to get into the 
>>>> president's news cycle. so that when people are watching the local tv 
>>>> news, the first thing they see is the president's announcement and the 
>>>> second thing they see is the local reaction: "but local protesters say 
>>>> that escalation is not the answer."
>>>> 
>>>> I furthermore propose that we invite Tim Johnson to speak. he's 
>>>> rock-solid on this. now that's man bites dog.