[Peace-discuss] president's speech on afghanistan (correction)

[John W.]

Actually, Carl, it should be "Damn'd be HE that first cries...", shouldn't
it?  Have we caught Shakespeare in a grammatical error?


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:39 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>wrote:

  "You got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them,
>   Know when to walk away and know when to run..."  --CGE
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> John W. wrote:
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>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu<mailto:
>> galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
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>> Sorry.  I made a grammatical point and then committed a solecism of my
>> own.
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>> Read "But do we risk praising killing just some people?"
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>> Yes.  And damn'd be him that first cries, "Hold enough?"!
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>> C. G. Estabrook wrote:
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>> This is a poem.  (But you mean "As if ... were ...")
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>> But do we risk praising just killing some people?
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>> "And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'?"
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>> Karen Medina wrote:
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>> won't get his 40,000 troops but only, say 10,000 -- and maybe only
>> trainers? Would we be seen as applauding presidential restraint?
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>> Short of withdrawal, I am in favor of rallying.
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>> 10,000 trainers. As if our military had an answer. And if they had an
>> answer,
>> as if our military could train without knowing the language and the
>> culture. And if they knew the languages and the cultures, as if there were
>> people to
>> train. ... As if!
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>> As if the problem was in Afghanistan. As if the problem was isolated. As
>> if
>> the problem was contained or containable. As if the problem had a
>> beginning .
>>  As if the problem was identified and spoken honestly of. As if.
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>> -karen medina
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>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:17 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu
>> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
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>> A good idea -- but what do we do if the administration chooses one of the
>> "four options" (from its present propaganda blitz) that would say McChrystal
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>> Tim Johnson seems to be committed to a demand for withdrawal, and I would
>> presume would continue to be so, regardless of what Obama does, short of
>> withdrawal.  That would seem to me to be the basis on which to organize a
>> rally.
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>> Robert Naiman wrote:
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>> press speculation would suggest better than even odds that sometime in
>> November, the President will give a speech announcing that he intends to
>> send
>> tens of thousands of more troops to Afghanistan in 2010.
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>> I propose to spread around in advance the idea that there will be a
>> demonstration at the Vets Memorial in Urbana at 5pm the day of the
>> president's speech.
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>> the idea of 5pm the day of the speech is to try to get into the
>> president's
>> news cycle. so that when people are watching the local tv news, the first
>> thing they see is the president's announcement and the second thing they
>> see
>> is the local reaction: "but local protesters say that escalation is not
>> the
>> answer."
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>> I furthermore propose that we invite Tim Johnson to speak. he's rock-solid
>> on
>> this. now that's man bites dog.
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