[Peace-discuss] president's speech on afghanistan (correction)

[C. G. Estabrook]

    "You got to know when to hold them, know when to fold them,
    Know when to walk away and know when to run..."  --CGE


John W. wrote:
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> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu 
> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
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> Sorry.  I made a grammatical point and then committed a solecism of my own.
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> Read "But do we risk praising killing just some people?"
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> Yes.  And damn'd be him that first cries, "Hold enough?"!
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> C. G. Estabrook wrote:
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> This is a poem.  (But you mean "As if ... were ...")
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> But do we risk praising just killing some people?
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> "And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'?"
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> Karen Medina wrote:
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> won't get his 40,000 troops but only, say 10,000 -- and maybe only trainers? 
> Would we be seen as applauding presidential restraint?
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> Short of withdrawal, I am in favor of rallying.
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> 10,000 trainers. As if our military had an answer. And if they had an answer,
> as if our military could train without knowing the language and the culture. 
> And if they knew the languages and the cultures, as if there were people to
> train. ... As if!
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> As if the problem was in Afghanistan. As if the problem was isolated. As if
> the problem was contained or containable. As if the problem had a beginning .
>  As if the problem was identified and spoken honestly of. As if.
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> -karen medina
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> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:17 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu
> <mailto:galliher at illinois.edu>> wrote:
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> A good idea -- but what do we do if the administration chooses one of the 
> "four options" (from its present propaganda blitz) that would say McChrystal
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> Tim Johnson seems to be committed to a demand for withdrawal, and I would 
> presume would continue to be so, regardless of what Obama does, short of 
> withdrawal.  That would seem to me to be the basis on which to organize a 
> rally.
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> Robert Naiman wrote:
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> press speculation would suggest better than even odds that sometime in 
> November, the President will give a speech announcing that he intends to send
> tens of thousands of more troops to Afghanistan in 2010.
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> I propose to spread around in advance the idea that there will be a
> demonstration at the Vets Memorial in Urbana at 5pm the day of the 
> president's speech.
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> the idea of 5pm the day of the speech is to try to get into the president's
> news cycle. so that when people are watching the local tv news, the first
> thing they see is the president's announcement and the second thing they see
> is the local reaction: "but local protesters say that escalation is not the
> answer."
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> I furthermore propose that we invite Tim Johnson to speak. he's rock-solid on
> this. now that's man bites dog.