[Peace-discuss] president's speech on afghanistan (correction)

[John W.]

On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:13 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>wrote:

Sorry.  I made a grammatical point and then committed a solecism of my own.
>
> Read "But do we risk praising killing just some people?"
>

Yes.  And damn'd be him that first cries, "Hold enough?"!




> C. G. Estabrook wrote:
>
>> This is a poem.  (But you mean "As if ... were ...")
>>
>> But do we risk praising just killing some people?
>>
>> "And damn'd be him that first cries, 'Hold, enough!'?"
>>
>>
>> Karen Medina wrote:
>>
>>> won't get his 40,000 troops but only, say 10,000 -- and maybe only
>>>> trainers?
>>>>  Would we be seen as applauding presidential restraint?
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Short of withdrawal, I am in favor of rallying.
>>>
>>> 10,000 trainers.
>>> As if our military had an answer.
>>> And if they had an answer, as if our military could train without
>>> knowing the language and the culture.
>>> And if they knew the languages and the cultures, as if there were
>>> people to train. ...
>>> As if!
>>>
>>> As if the problem was in Afghanistan.
>>> As if the problem was isolated.
>>> As if the problem was contained or containable.
>>> As if the problem had a beginning .
>>> As if the problem was identified and spoken honestly of.
>>> As if.
>>>
>>> -karen medina
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 12:17 PM, C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A good idea -- but what do we do if the administration chooses one of
>>>> the
>>>> "four options" (from its present propaganda blitz) that would say
>>>> McChrystal
>>>>
>>>
>>>  Tim Johnson seems to be committed to a demand for withdrawal, and I
>>>> would
>>>> presume would continue to be so, regardless of what Obama does, short of
>>>> withdrawal.  That would seem to me to be the basis on which to organize
>>>> a
>>>> rally.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Robert Naiman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> press speculation would suggest better than even odds that sometime in
>>>>> November, the President will give a speech announcing that he intends
>>>>> to send tens of thousands of more troops to Afghanistan in 2010.
>>>>>
>>>>> I propose to spread around in advance the idea that there will be
>>>>> a demonstration at the Vets Memorial in Urbana at 5pm the day of the
>>>>> president's speech.
>>>>>
>>>>> the idea of 5pm the day of the speech is to try to get into the
>>>>> president's news cycle. so that when people are watching the local tv
>>>>> news, the first thing they see is the president's announcement and the
>>>>> second thing they see is the local reaction: "but local protesters say
>>>>> that escalation is not the answer."
>>>>>
>>>>> I furthermore propose that we invite Tim Johnson to speak. he's
>>>>> rock-solid on this. now that's man bites dog.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Robert Naiman
>>>>> Just Foreign Policy
>>>>> www.justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>> naiman at justforeignpolicy.org
>>>>
>>>>
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