[Peace-discuss] Fw: TARGET: Rep. Joe Wilson -- who yelled "You lie!" at Obama

[Jenifer Cartwright]

Thanks, John. I knew there were obstacles but had forgotten the specifics. Even so, you'd think there'd be lawsuits galore against some of these guys... tho' some are deep down dumb enuff to convince any court that they truly didn't know they were "mistaken."
 
Meanwhile, talking heads on News Hour tonite said that Wilson did himself and his Party so much harm by his outburst that they think he must have been a Democratic plant!! (If only, huh?)
 --Jenifer
 
 

--- On Fri, 9/11/09, John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: John W. <jbw292002 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: TARGET: Rep. Joe Wilson -- who yelled "You lie!" at Obama
To: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Karen Medina" <kmedina67 at gmail.com>, "Ricky Baldwin" <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 5:21 PM




On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Jenifer Cartwright <jencart13 at yahoo.com> wrote:







I'm sooooo sick of these damned right-wingers saying whatever they want and getting away w/ it, plus of course all the media attention -- equal time and then some. And until there are some real consequences, it won't stop. I do NOT want the Dems/progressives to get down to their level -- i e constantly referring to Laura Bush as, "Boyfriend-killer Laura Bush" or referring to Republicans as "Draft-dodging chicken hawk Republicans," but there needs to be some way to stop it. So maybe censure in this case would be one way to start the process. I think we need more libel and slander lawsuits as well.
 --Jenifer


The trouble with libel/slander/defamation suits is that they're so hard to win.  There are a number of elements to them.  The speaker/writer must make 

1) a statement of fact, not opinion or satire
2) which is untrue, and
3) which the speaker/writer KNOWS to be untrue, and 
4) which causes actual, demonstrable harm to the subject of the utterance.

In addition, if the statement is made by the media and/or with reference to a "public figure", the person who claims harm must prove "actual malice" on the part of the speaker/writer/publisher.

The burden of proof is always on the plaintiff, so all of these elements present significant hurdles or barriers to winning a lawsuit.

John Wason



 






--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Ricky Baldwin <baldwinricky at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: TARGET: Rep. Joe Wilson -- who yelled "You lie!" at Obama
To: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Karen Medina" <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 2:51 PM






Absolutely.

I don't think censure is the way.  We'd probably do better with a rowdier system, even like the British Parliament with all its faults, where the PM has to actually go down on the floor and debate.  Of course, it hasn't made Britain a workers' paradise.  But at least they have National Health - for now.*

Ricky

*That has to do with other factors, in my opinion.

"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn

--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Fw: TARGET: Rep. Joe Wilson -- who yelled "You lie!" at Obama
To: "Peace-discuss" <peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>
Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:48 PM


Representative Joe Wilson's outburst tells us more about him. He is
dumb enough to think it is a good idea to have people living among us
that DON'T have access to health care.

He made a fool of himself.

-karen medina


      
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