Fw: [Peace-discuss] Re: Fwd: Heckling the President is Unacceptable
unionyes
unionyes at ameritech.net
Fri Sep 11 21:10:46 CDT 2009
----- Original Message -----
From: unionyes
To: Ricky Baldwin
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] Re: Fwd: Heckling the President is Unacceptable
Back in the 1980's, sattelite T.V. ( with the super large disks ) was great ( if you could afford it ) in that the viewer had access to several hundred channels, including hundreds of hours of raw media feeds that the corporate media selected 10 - 15 minute segments from that they wanted to show on their nightly " News " broadcasts.
As well as, LIVE coverage of the Canadian and the British Parliament, which was VERY refreshing ( ESPECIALLY the British Parliamentary coverage ), in that the " Head of State " had to face ALL of the Parliament members who ; asked difficult questions, used sarcasm, heckled and INSULTED the Head of State !
This to me is REAL Democracy !
NOT, the phoney superficial crap we currently have in regards to both our " Pre-Packaged " corporate selected cable channels, and our " elected representatives ".
I do NOT want my elected representative being " polite ", I want an aggressive " advocate ", to insult and belittle if neccessary, the Head of State.
Rather it is Bush or Obama !
Remember people, this is suppose to be a democracy, NOT a polite corporate plutocracy !
If you KNOW the reality, ie.. that corporate campaign / lobbyist money and the corporate media CONTROL our country, than you will realize that this " nice and polite " bullshit, is just that.
Rather you want to realize it or not, or admit it or not, we are in a WAR ( us ( the citizens ) against them ( the corporate interests )), that Obama is the " Good Cop " in the " Good Cop / Bad Cop " corporate interogation proceedure against US, WE THE PEOPLE !
Obama is NOT our friend or our ALLY !
David J.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ricky Baldwin
To: 'C. G. Estabrook' ; dccc at dccc.org ; LAURIE SOLOMON
Cc: 'peace-discuss'
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 8:57 AM
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Re: Fwd: Heckling the President is Unacceptable
Of course the president should be able to be heckled [damn, that's an awkward sentence in y'all's dialect]. The real issue is what this "douchebag" (as he's apparently known on Wiki) was heckling Obama *about*: daring to symbolize a politics vaguely to the left of the rightwing property-and-profit consensus.
Ricky
"Speak your mind even if your voice shakes." - Maggie Kuhn
--- On Thu, 9/10/09, LAURIE SOLOMON <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET> wrote:
From: LAURIE SOLOMON <LAURIE at ADVANCENET.NET>
Subject: RE: [Peace-discuss] Re: Fwd: Heckling the President is Unacceptable
To: "'C. G. Estabrook'" <galliher at illinois.edu>, dccc at dccc.org
Cc: "'peace-discuss'" <peace-discuss at anti-war.net>
Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 10:05 PM
Considering that this was not a personal mailing but a mass mailing as well
as an attempt to raise funds rather than an attempt to engage in a serious
discussion or exchange, I dismissed it as not worth the time fussing about.
I see no reason why the President giving a public address in a public space
should not be open to the same abuse as any stand-up comedian giving a
performance on the stage in a public club. We have this urge to deify our
leaders and celebrities as well as the positions they hold in society when
in a democracy we should be deifying the ordinary man-in-the-street and not
their representative and the position of citizen and not that of elected or
appointed offices. I find the use of this incident as distasteful as the
incident itself. If we are going to insist on civility, which I believe we
should, the civility that we insist on should be authentic civility and
respect and not some pseudo-appearing façade of symbolic civility and
respect.
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[mailto:peace-discuss-bounces at lists.chambana.net] On Behalf Of C. G.
Estabrook
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 9:44 PM
To: dccc at dccc.org
Cc: peace-discuss
Subject: [Peace-discuss] Re: Fwd: Heckling the President is Unacceptable
Hypocritical moron.
We'd be a lot better off if we'd heckled Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, Ford,
Carter,
Reagan, Bush Sr, Clinton, Bush Jr, and the present incumbent (to stick to
the
last 50 years) a good deal more than we did. It would help if we'd
impeached
them when we had the chance.
Because we didn't, Obama thinks he's free to continue killing people with
impunity, even in the face of the opinion of a majority of Americans. --CGE
Jon Vogel, DCCC Executive Director wrote:
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>
> Carl--
>
> Considering the overwhelming grassroots response to Republican
> Congressman Joe Wilson screaming out "you lie" on the House Floor last
> night during President Obama's address, I wanted to make sure you saw
> our earlier message.
>
> *And late this afternoon, news broke that Congressman Wilson refused to
> issue a personal apology from the Floor of the House.*
>
> We're just $29,000 away from our $100,000 goal. Put us over the top.
> *Your contribution will be immediately put to work to defeat Republican
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> Thanks,
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> Jon Vogel
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> Sent: Thursday, September 10th, 2009 12:14pm
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> Subject: Heckling the President is Unacceptable
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> DCCC Rapid Response
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> Friend--
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> Last night as President Obama addressed a joint session of Congress on
> the need for health insurance reform, *Republican Congressman Joe Wilson
> of South Carolina actually screamed out "you lie"* on the House floor in
> front of the full Congress and the entire nation.
>
> Calling the President of the United States a liar in front of the nation
> is a new low even for House Republicans and it deserves the strongest
> response we can give. That's why we're issuing a special Rapid Response
> Alert.
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> *Help us raise $100,000 in the next 48 Hours to send a message to
> Republicans like Congressman Joe Wilson that we will not stand for our
> President to be called a liar in front of the nation.
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> Last night President Obama called on Congress to act on health insurance
> reform but also to echo the words of the late Senator Ted Kennedy by
> showing the "character of our country." And this is how House
> Republicans respond?
> *
> *Republicans disrespecting President Obama and refusing to engage in
> meaningful debate is nothing new. They've been doing it all summer long.
> *But disrespecting the President before the eyes of the nation and just
> at the moment when President Obama was offering his solution to the
> greatest challenge of our time is truly an outrage.*
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> *Help us raise $100,000 in the next 48 Hours to send a message to
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>
> *As President Obama said last night, "If you misrepresent what's in the
> plan, we will call you out." Help us start right now with Congressman
> Joe Wilson.*
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jon Vogel
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> P.S. Calling President Obama a liar in front of the nation as
> Congressman Joe Wilson did last night is a new low even for House
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