[Peace-discuss] The message of wiki-leaks…

[C. G. Estabrook]

That's funny.

On 8/1/10 2:45 PM, David Green wrote:
> The two liberal responses in today's NYT are interesting. Rich's is that the
>  Afghan war is on its downside, everyone knows it, so let's attend to other
> issues while war is ended by some vague process that will not require
> voluntary action on the part of the citizenry. Thomas Friedman's response is
> that Americans are being played for suckers by our puppets, including Karzai,
> and the Pakistanis. He also offers an account that differentiates between the
> Saudi royal family and the Wahabbi sect--I haven't heard this before, and I
> suspect its either fiction or exaggerated. Of course, we nurtured the most
> "extreme" forces for our original foray into Afghanistan during the Carter
> administration. In any event, in Friedman's narrative, idealistic
> well-intentioned Americans are being victimized by those trying to help them.
> Rich doesn't go that far--implicitly well-intentioned Americans have simply
> made lots of mistakes. In addition, there's enough megalomania between these
> four ears to fill a wing of a psychiatric hospital, or perhaps the Pentagon.
> DG
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*From:* C. G. Estabrook <galliher at illinois.edu>
> *To:* Brussel Morton K. <mkbrussel at comcast.net> *Cc:* Peace Discuss
> <peace-discuss at anti-war.net> *Sent:* Sun, August 1, 2010 2:12:03 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Peace-discuss] The message of wiki-leaks…
>
> American liberalism is a closed oyster into which a mere grain of sand - the
>  Wikileaks documents - has penetrated. Here we see that echt liberal Frank
> Rich, equal to the challenge, beginning the process of covering the offending
> element with a first layer of nacre, by the same living process as is used in
> the secretion of the mother of pearl covering that lines liberalism's
> shell...
>
> Behold - a pearl!
>
> Kiss This War Goodbye By FRANK RICH Published: July 31, 2010
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01rich.html?_r=2&hp
> <http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/opinion/01rich.html?_r=2&hp>
>
>
> On 8/1/10 11:37 AM, Brussel Morton K. wrote:
>> *From Paul Street on a ZNet article:*
>>
>> “The lesson; no, the message; no, um, the takeaway of the leaked documents
>> is not: if only they knew how badly it's going, how hard it's going to be,
>> then the administration would bring an end to the conflict. Rather, the
>> takeaway; no, the message is that even knowing how badly the war goes, they
>> persist. The lesson is not the Administration's blindness, but its dogged
>> intransigence, its total commitment to the endeavor, regardless of the
>> means or outcome, regardless of the possibility of reward, regardless of
>> the cost, regardless of suffering, regardless of sense and duration. The
>> United States has an institutional commitment to the occupation of
>> Afghanistan. It can't be argued out of it.”*[7]* * * One of the best
>> reflections about Wiki-Leaks and related matters. See
>>
>> http://www.zcommunications.org/revealing-moments-by-paul-street