[Peace-discuss] a friend: Haiti's problem is overpopulation

[Jenifer Cartwright]

My point was and is, ALL females of reproductive age should have access to affordable birth control which they can choose to use or not... And it if benefits their society, while also benefiting themselves and their families, so much the better -- they should be encouraged to use it and reap any benefits available to them as a result -- health, education, a better life in general. Denying birth control to women because they're poor and/or powerless is criminal... and those who accuse e g Planned Parenthood of discriminating on the basis of race or class are trying to cover up their own agenda: preventing the use of birth control whenever and wherever they can, regardless of the consequences to women, their families, their societies. These accusers believe that contraception is against God's will, and they will use any excuse they can find or manufacture -- including accusing birth control proponents of discrimination and ulterior motives -- to disguise
 their own destructive beliefs and behaviors. Is there really any more we can add to this discussion?? I'm done. --Jenifer 

--- On Mon, 2/8/10, Brussel Morton K. <mkbrussel at comcast.net> wrote:

From: Brussel Morton K. <mkbrussel at comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] a friend: Haiti's problem is overpopulation
To: "C. G. Estabrook" <galliher at illinois.edu>
Cc: "Jenifer Cartwright" <jencart13 at yahoo.com>, "Peace-discuss List" <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net>, "Karen Medina" <kmedina67 at gmail.com>
Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 6:25 PM

Maybe Carl should consult on these issues with his guru, Chomsky. He should ask Chomsky  if the latter believes the poor world peoples should have access to birth control and abortion. But of course, Carl will deflect this question by going off in some other direction, posing another issue, as usual. 

Overpopulation is always a problem, as the word implies. But there are instances where it is tolerable because of wealth, or outside aid and resources, for example. The Netherlands does (do?) quite well. So does New York City.. Gaza would be better off if it could have a viable population and received support from others to beneficially sustain its economy and people. Ditto Haiti. China knew what it had to do. So does India. 

Carl likes to vituperate.


On Feb 8, 2010, at 4:11 PM, C. G. Estabrook wrote:

> The article is racist, bordering on the genocidal, as becomes obvious when put in another context, such as Israel-Gaza.
> 
> It does fit rather neatly into the strong American eugenic tradition, with its "concern [as Justice Ginsburg says] about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of."
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> Jenifer Cartwright wrote:
>> I don't see anything in the article that anyone could disagree with. Can you
>> explain what creeps you out?? Having 6 kids at age 21 would be beyond creepy
>> for me. --Jenifer
>> --- On *Mon, 2/8/10, Karen Medina /<kmedina67 at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>> From: Karen Medina <kmedina67 at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Peace-discuss] a
>> friend: Haiti's problem is overpopulation To: "Peace-discuss List"
>> <Peace-discuss at lists.chambana.net> Date: Monday, February 8, 2010, 1:44 PM
>> I think the article is creepy. Thanks for sharing it. I wish you did not
>> agree with the article, Jenifer.
>> -karen medina
>> here's one example from the Tacoma Times under the headline: HAITI: Country
>> Badly Needs Birth Control
>> "The recent tragedy in Haiti certainly deserves our sympathy. However, in all
>> the news coverage and analyses of Haiti, no one has even dared to mention the
>> underlying big problem: overpopulation.
>> The country is too small and not productive enough to support nine
>> million-plus people and could not survive on its own without all the
>> long-term aid given by well-meaning organizations all over the world.
>> The 200,000 killed in the recent earthquake will be replaced in just a few
>> years.
>> Haiti must get its population under control and overcome its misguided
>> historical influences. There are many others in the world also in this
>> situation. By providing and sustaining aid, there is no incentive to practice
>> population control, because the more children there are, the more Haiti will
>> benefit.
>> A Los Angeles Times story (TNT, 1-25) quotes a 21-year-old woman who has six
>> children! Haiti’s problem is that it has an extremely high birth rate,
>> fostered by the Catholic Church and the Bush administration’s ban on any
>> birth control information in the past decade. Nine million people on 27,000
>> square miles of depleted and eroded land, a density of about 1,000 people per
>> square mile is too many. Washington’s density is 97, and Oregon’s 39.
>> Along with food and water, the thousands of charitable organizations now in
>> Haiti should also be educating and encouraging birth control. This would help
>> that country immensely."
>> The whole article is at www.thenewstribune.com/468/story/1043981.html?storylink=omni_popular <http://www.thenewstribune.com/468/story/1043981.html?storylink=omni_popular>
>> And of course you'll also find sneering entries slamming Planned Parenthood
>> for trying to help... --Jenifer
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